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the smoke radio for the masses headline

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additionally july 8th 1947

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the army air force's has announced that

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a flying disk has been found and is now

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in the possession of the army if the

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game is rigged change the game

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game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish

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if we were facing an alien threat from

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[Applause]

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this is fade to black it's your host

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jimmy church on the game changer radio

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network and kgra the global radio

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i need your help to get to the year

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you are listening to fate to black with

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jimmy church on the game changer network

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good evening

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bespoke radio

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yeah man

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how you doing

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today's tuesday november 16

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2021

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319 days into the new year only 46 days

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left

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we are live

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from a bunker

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somewhere in the middle of nowhere

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that's right a total undisclosed

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location

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but it is beautiful in here let me tell

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you what

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what what what what what

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i'm watching the gifts i can't get my i

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would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world all

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across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down east and west north

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and south

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far and near

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this is fade to block for kjcr

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the game changer and an x networks i am

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your host jimmy church what is cracking

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everybody how you doing

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all right

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can priests in the house ken you are a

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troublemaker my man

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ken priests

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let's see just that's a gift that

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distracts

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that's awesome

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i want one of those

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a remote controlled

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that's what i'm talking about right

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all right what a great show we've got

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lined up for tonight

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and uh oh man i gotta do something

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hold on

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i gotta do this i gotta do it i gotta do

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it i gotta come over here

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there we go

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i had to close the bunker door and you

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can see now there's no echo the bunker

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door is open and that goes out and

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it's it's there's echoes that happen

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and it's just me

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not me and the ghosts that occur out

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i mean last night paul

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smith and uh an incredible show and uh i

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must apologize uh for one thing

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uh for last night's show it was a great

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show i really enjoyed it and and paul is

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no days off right you have all last week

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and then rolling into a conference all

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i was tired and and last night it was

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my mouth was not cooperating last night

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the old frontal lobes and the lower jaw

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but uh but that's not the case tonight a

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it's all connected

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so we are continuing our first time

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guests week tonight here on fade to

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with actor comedian steve berg joining

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that reads

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actor

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that's tonight tonight's gonna be a show

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to remember i'm really looking forward

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to this and then tomorrow night sarah

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brespin cosme is with us

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another first time guest thursday night

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is the world premiere of the observers

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huge event

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that's going to be simulcast out from

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fade to black uh on a bunch of other

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platforms

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uh with uh 1091 films and the observers

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and we have got a full slate

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it's going to be great so that's going

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down thursday i can't believe it i can't

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believe it i'm telling you what i am

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going to do

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to see the observers

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because i can

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i'm gonna sign right on amazon i'm gonna

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go right there

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and i'm gonna click

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and that's gonna be a good time that's

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so that's uh going down thursday what a

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great week on the show and you can

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follow me on twitter at j church radio

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you can do that right there at j church

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radio the sandbox right in front of me

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right here is hashtag f2b on twitter

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and uh thank you third stone thank you

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di anna thank you cass thank you david

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thank you tara

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julie bond

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tri-scale

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um these gifts uh starting off the show

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the charge here

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um what's with the candy

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these are the best nerds gummy clusters

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it's going to be a great show tonight

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i'm fired up i am ready to go

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uh this morning i had uh you have to do

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this if you have a burr grinder with

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um which are great you gotta have a burr

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grinder it's the only way to go so

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if you're a coffee aficionado like

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myself well but bur grinders require

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maintenance and you see it it slowly

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degrades you've got to go in you've got

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to clean it you got to do it you know

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your little brush and go in

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coffee trumps everything it it does it

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trumps this show right now trumps

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you have to have do you do you get a you

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know what i get offended by

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let me tell you what i get offended by

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is what when somebody says

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and oh i got to be politically correct

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i said gosh i didn't say god

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did everybody hear that that

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that offends me more than saying god

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just don't say it at all

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and they just don't want to offend their

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fans they don't want to oh the cancel

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culture i don't want to get ca i can't

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that offends me all right

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where am i what uh does anybody know

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what i'm doing right now oh my god what

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is church talking about i did it let's

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get to the breaking news

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november's leonid meteor shower showers

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proportions i love that

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when shooting stars fall like rain in

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this meteor shower is due to peak

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november 17th but the moon is in a

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waxing gibbous phase it will hang around

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most of the night brightening the sky

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and washing out most of the meteors

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don't be bummed out there will only be

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the briefest of intervals between the

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moonset and the outset of the morning

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dawn wednesday morning

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it's gonna be raining meteors

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so go out there and check it out now

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check it

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this is amazing

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this is why i do the show right here

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i got two stories about

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buds

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an adelaide penguin that washed up on a

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rocky new zealand beach

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nearly 2 000 miles from its home in

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antarctica last week

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has been released back into the wild

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nicknamed pingu by the locals after a

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claymation children's cartoon the

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disoriented bud was waddling around the

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beach at birdling flat on november 10th

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and was swiftly taken to the

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christchurch penguin rehabilitation for

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treatment

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right

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but not to be outdone

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a feel-good story right

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not to be outdone right here in the

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states another board

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traveled 2 000 miles

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it was a greater roadrunner uh road

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a species native to the southwestern

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united states hitched a ride in the

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storage area of a moving van

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from las vegas all the way to westbrook

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maine volunteers took the bird to the

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avion haven a bird rehabilitation

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facility right there in maine

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uh do you release a road runner back

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into the wild

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what do you do what do you do do you put

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it on a plane do you take it back to las

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vegas its family is tripping right now

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dad didn't come home last night i wonder

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what's up

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i'm going out for cigarettes i'll be

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scorpions are in the news

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because scorpions that were flushed from

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their underground desert homes by recent

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storms

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have stung more than 500 people in aswan

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southern egypt

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several days of hail rainfall and

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flooding in the region displaced

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scorpions from their burrows and swept

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them into close contact with people the

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storms also destroyed buildings

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washed out roads uprooted trees

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and cut off electricity

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yeah i like to do feel-good stories on i

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don't know

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if scorpions

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is that

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casey kasem let's get to show cracking

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happy birthday to today the one the only

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missy pyle

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is 49.

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she played la liari

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in galaxy quest

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you remember that

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that scene in the limousine

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oh that's one of the best that's one of

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the best ever missy pyle today 49 years

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old maggie

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gyllenhaal today 43 years old

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lots of great stuff she's a great actor

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but the best is still donnie darko

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nickel backs

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oh no i'm not going to do it again

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tonight our dead guy's birthday today is

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wc handy

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1873 to 1958 died at the age of 84.

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wc

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was a composer he was a musician

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who was known as the father of the blues

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william was one of the most influential

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songwriters in all of these united

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states and was the first to publish

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music in the blues form

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thereby taking the blues to a new level

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of popularity

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on march 28 1958 wc died of pneumonia in

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new york city

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over 25 000 people attended his funeral

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and another 150 000 gathered in the

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streets near the church

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to pay their respects

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that's right you go to memphis

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beale street there's a bar there wc

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handys

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that's right

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on this day in history 1945

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it went down

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operation paperclip

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is officially launched and the united

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states immediately ships

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88 gentlemen scientists to america to

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assist in its production

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of rocket technology

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that's right

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check this out

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fader fact in 1924

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a secret tunnel network was discovered

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and they were actually dug by the

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smithsonian institute's entomologist

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harrison g

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dyer

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who says

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he did it

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yeah right

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tonight very special guest continuing

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our first time guests week here on fade

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to black

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actor comedian steve berg joins us we're

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going to be talking about ufos all night

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long and why he would run an ad in the

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classified that says

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actor

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tomorrow night

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sarah bresman cosme is here i uh more

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more on sarah in in just a bit actually

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but she is here tomorrow night

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and uh

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she's fascinating she's intelligent and

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uh just just an incredible so to

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tomorrow night

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we are going to discuss how to prepare

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for disclosure and that goes down

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tomorrow night thursday night the world

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premiere

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of the observers

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big show big show linda moulton howe

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john greenwald

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richard dolan

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whitley strieber

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yeah debbie cobble it's gonna be a great

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show and and more

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and more it's a huge huge event

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all going down on thursday night all

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right

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let me hit this river moon coffee

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rivermoonwellness.com links for river

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moon right below us go down there and

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i like my coffee doc

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i do

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like a doc

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[Laughter]

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oh man all right

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all right i'm rolling through these

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gifts cassandra

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that's what i'm talking about that's a

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beautiful car

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big mustang guy oh so i'm driving back

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from vegas

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vegas laughlin driving back from

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laughlin

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and the things you see on the road right

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and i caught a couple of things that

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were really really cool and one of them

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i don't know if you can see it

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and let me blow it up a little bit

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1967

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i thought it was a 66 at first

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67 mustang gt fastback

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on the back of a trailer

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my colors right

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that's what i do i'm driving around i

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also there's something else weird

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happened i gotta scroll back i wanna

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show everybody this pic because this

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uh this was strange uh to see on the

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freeway

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um a military truck

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you don't see this carrying

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there was two actually this is one

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carrying a helicopter

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down the freeway and that's like uh some

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just huge just rolling down the freeway

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in the middle of the desert all right

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where am i at

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have feel good story scorpions i i live

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in the desert i haven't seen scorpions

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yet lots of lizards lots of things

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hummingbirds i haven't seen any

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scorpions that would uh that would mess

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me up

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tonight we have steve berg

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rivermooncoffee.com

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are we

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just a little too serious

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in the ufo community

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and

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this weekend

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uh

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sunday night

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i was on a panel

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hosted by sid goldberg

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it was awesome

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and

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i also did

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the jimmy church variety show

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i did that on friday night

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two

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and

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now we do the deep dive

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let me

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i feel that

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and that includes this show

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this show

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is just me

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i'm very serious about the subject i am

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very passionate about this subject

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getting into subjects

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and and getting a guest on the show and

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my serious faces on but there are

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moments

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of laughter of joy every night on this

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show okay

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you got seriousness together

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the experience of doing that variety

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show

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i chose and i didn't tell anybody

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because i didn't want anybody to say no

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church you can't do that i don't want to

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hear it so i purposefully held back

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what i really wanted to do

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which was

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be myself

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and have fun

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i needed to lift everybody out of this

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world that we have been in which

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includes a pandemic

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and the ufo community and the

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seriousness of where we are right now

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because it's all very serious but let's

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let's escape from that for a moment and

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for 90 minutes or so

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let's

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and now

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i did it

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and i thought to myself if i can just

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get up on that stage

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and

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that everybody there would laugh along

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with me

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and you know what we did

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and that doesn't happen within the ufo

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community too much

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but then there was sunday night

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and being a guest on a panel instead of

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hosting a panel is very cool

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and sid goldberg uh one of uh my great

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friends great great friend and somebody

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that takes this subject very serious

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sid's funny when he wants to be funny

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two-time emmy award-winning

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you know producer

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sid is funny when he needs to be and

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there are some times when he really

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makes me laugh but when he goes serious

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there's no laughter

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and that panel was sid's opportunity to

520
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uh get to some very serious questions

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and

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that was a flip flop for me

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from friday night

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well right into this thing and i had

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said

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uh to the audience that night

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i'm not gonna hold back

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not gonna do it

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00:25:03,510 --> 00:25:01,200
when i hear

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00:25:05,510 --> 00:25:03,520
um other shows

531
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or somebody being interviewed and

532
00:25:11,269 --> 00:25:08,080
conversations that are going on

533
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i hear a lot of dancing

534
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serious dancing but dancing nonetheless

535
00:25:19,990 --> 00:25:18,000
where everybody wants to get right up to

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the edge of an answer

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but not fully commit

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i am

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now and for me it's not that kind of

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00:25:32,310 --> 00:25:29,600
party so i didn't hold back

541
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i said some things

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00:25:35,430 --> 00:25:34,559
on that panel

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00:25:37,990 --> 00:25:35,440
that

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everybody needed to hear

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00:25:43,990 --> 00:25:40,640
but they never do

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00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:44,000
so i had this this opportunity for

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myself

548
00:25:51,350 --> 00:25:48,559
to go to the two extremes this weekend

549
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and it also a lot i mean hard funny

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00:25:55,510 --> 00:25:54,240
hardcore funny well i think it it was

551
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funny

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00:25:59,669 --> 00:25:56,880
that's up to you

553
00:26:01,269 --> 00:25:59,679
but and then the hardcore serious

554
00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:01,279
and i

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00:26:06,149 --> 00:26:04,640
reflected back on that uh over the last

556
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couple of days

557
00:26:11,750 --> 00:26:09,600
thinking about this dichotomy this this

558
00:26:14,230 --> 00:26:11,760
polarization of myself

559
00:26:17,430 --> 00:26:14,240
way out to the two extremes that i'm

560
00:26:21,750 --> 00:26:17,440
doing with along with the community

561
00:26:24,950 --> 00:26:21,760
and you know what it felt great

562
00:26:27,750 --> 00:26:24,960
it felt great because yeah i'd like to

563
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:27,760
goof off and be a goofball that's cool

564
00:26:33,430 --> 00:26:30,960
that's the release but that's only part

565
00:26:35,590 --> 00:26:33,440
of what makes me happy

566
00:26:36,710 --> 00:26:35,600
the other part is the serious part and

567
00:26:41,190 --> 00:26:36,720
how

568
00:26:43,190 --> 00:26:41,200
i look at this beautiful community and

569
00:26:47,269 --> 00:26:43,200
how serious i take it

570
00:26:48,870 --> 00:26:47,279
i let it all hang out and i was able to

571
00:26:51,590 --> 00:26:48,880
you know and it's an honor and a

572
00:26:53,510 --> 00:26:51,600
privilege to be able to have

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00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:53,520
that opportunity

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00:26:57,669 --> 00:26:55,279
in one weekend

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00:26:58,870 --> 00:26:57,679
and i gotta say it was i felt pretty

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00:27:00,549 --> 00:26:58,880
complete

577
00:27:03,510 --> 00:27:00,559
you know and then after all of that then

578
00:27:05,350 --> 00:27:03,520
we go out and do this petroglyph thing

579
00:27:07,269 --> 00:27:05,360
and i gotta tell you

580
00:27:12,310 --> 00:27:07,279
olivia

581
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:12,320
um and and steve

582
00:27:17,190 --> 00:27:14,880
uh and everybody else that was with us

583
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nurse nancy was there julie frith was

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there uh lucinda uh was there melinda

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leslie of course leading the charge

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and uh and and and and peggy and and her

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husband peggy what's up

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um and on and on and on there were so

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many great giorgio there from peru

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who wrote me a great email today

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um

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we capped the weekend with that event

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and and steve has not shut up about it i

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haven't shut up about it olivia hasn't

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shut up about it it was incredible it

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was a great great time so with that

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tonight our guest is steve berg

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when i say are we taking ourselves too

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serious sometimes in this ufo community

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the guy

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to ask about this is somebody that

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is an actor is a comedian and is also

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immersed

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in this question

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of ufos and et and contact

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how does he see it from the outside how

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00:28:23,750 --> 00:28:21,840
does he observe this phenomenon we're

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going to talk about all of that tonight

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with our guest steve berg i am your host

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jimmy church this is fade to black on

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short break i'm looking forward to the

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show i am in a great mood and part of it

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is uh because i know

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that i can relax tonight

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this is the thing steve's gonna want to

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[Music]

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all right

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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host jimmy church

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00:33:59,750 --> 00:33:57,039
tonight steve berg is here continuing

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our first time guest week

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tomorrow night sarah breskman cosme uh

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joins us it's gonna be great thursday

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night

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no

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it's the world premiere of the observers

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a huge event that's going down thursday

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but tonight's all about steve berg

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he manages to do just that he's here

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00:34:24,310 --> 00:34:22,720
with us for the first time we're going

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to talk about his career and how a

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comedian

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00:34:31,829 --> 00:34:29,520
finds the ufo community and manages to

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00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:31,839
wiggle his way in and hang out with us

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00:34:35,990 --> 00:34:33,119
we're going to talk about all of that

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steve's an actor comedian improviser who

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00:34:40,790 --> 00:34:39,440
was most recently the dj voice in the tv

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series hoops

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his credits also include recurring roles

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on nbc's the good place i have binged

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that friggin series five times five

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uh

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anyway abc's the goldbergs comedy

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central's idiot sitter and bets the

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00:35:03,829 --> 00:35:00,960
comedy get down in addition he was a

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00:35:07,349 --> 00:35:03,839
regular on the fox television series

746
00:35:10,150 --> 00:35:07,359
wtf i almost said it wtf america

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produced by ron howard and brian grazer

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and uh and here's the deal i'm gonna get

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straight to it tonight and say steve

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berg

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welcome to fade to black

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00:35:22,950 --> 00:35:20,320
well

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thank you for having me sir and and and

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00:35:26,710 --> 00:35:24,560
here's the deal you get the first time

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00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:26,720
guest disclaimer

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00:35:32,069 --> 00:35:29,680
okay yeah which is this steve it's just

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00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:32,079
you and i sitting on my couch having a

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00:35:35,430 --> 00:35:33,760
conversation as friends and where that

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conversation starts it starts where it

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ends it ends

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but we're going to end his friends

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00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:40,240
oh

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i like i like starting up a sweet

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sentiment like that it's welcoming well

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00:35:49,670 --> 00:35:46,400
here's the deal

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do you feel pressure

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to be funny all the time

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00:35:57,109 --> 00:35:54,720
um you know

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not really i mean like i you know when

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i'm being paid to be funny yes i feel

771
00:36:03,990 --> 00:36:02,000
intense crushing pressure that makes me

772
00:36:06,310 --> 00:36:04,000
lose sleep but uh

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00:36:08,950 --> 00:36:06,320
in day-to-day life i mean like

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i'm not like in a weird way like i love

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comedy and i adore it but like i'm not

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00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:13,520
like probably like i don't watch snl and

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i don't like consume that much comedy i

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and and you know what that was actually

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00:36:24,349 --> 00:36:23,520
one of my questions and i'm glad that

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you

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telepathically rolled uh into that

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because

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what do you do if you're in your funny

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00:36:38,470 --> 00:36:35,359
game all the time uh do you

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00:36:41,190 --> 00:36:38,480
you know like for me i enjoy comedies i

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00:36:44,230 --> 00:36:41,200
do but i like uh

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docuseries like the sons of sam right

788
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:46,960
yeah right yeah i know me too

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so you you go down that road

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00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:51,920
yeah i mean well i mean like i i like

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you said docuseries is probably like

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what i watch on tv the most something

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like that i like to i like to you know

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if i'm watching tv i like to learn a

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little something right right i do the

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same thing but here here's the next

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point and especially with you

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um

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it's it's it's great to have an interest

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in the subject i i love it

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come on in

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um you were with uh

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00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,560
you were breaking bread with the fader

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knots now for three or four nights in a

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row

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and

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in into this family is a cool thing

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yeah

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right

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00:37:34,150 --> 00:37:32,960
but there's a lot of intelligence at

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that table

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and you brought there were things that

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you were saying

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and i sat back and said dude is

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up to his neck in the rabbit hole and

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can't get out of it

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i'm not wrong am i

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00:37:51,750 --> 00:37:50,000
no you're i mean you're really not and

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it goes back to like you know i was one

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of those like i've never had an

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00:37:56,550 --> 00:37:54,720
experience which i like told you you

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00:37:58,630 --> 00:37:56,560
know many people at this conference this

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00:38:00,470 --> 00:37:58,640
weekend did and i've never had anything

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weird to me yet i've put myself in those

825
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positions

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00:38:06,230 --> 00:38:04,560
but for some reason as a little kid i

827
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was like you know

828
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really devouring ufo books and like

829
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books about ghosts bigfoot you know john

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00:38:17,430 --> 00:38:14,640
keel books and stuff like that and

831
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i never looked back it's like i ca to me

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00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:19,280
it's always shocking when people aren't

833
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super into this stuff

834
00:38:23,750 --> 00:38:21,839
you know what i mean

835
00:38:26,950 --> 00:38:23,760
and it's just so fascinating yeah that's

836
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right that's right and do you feel now

837
00:38:31,109 --> 00:38:28,560
that uh

838
00:38:33,190 --> 00:38:31,119
uh you saw one side of the ufo community

839
00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:33,200
which is the fader knots and we'd like

840
00:38:38,470 --> 00:38:35,359
to have a good time we take the subject

841
00:38:40,310 --> 00:38:38,480
serious for sure but we we like to have

842
00:38:43,109 --> 00:38:40,320
a good time

843
00:38:45,589 --> 00:38:43,119
do you feel that as an observer outside

844
00:38:46,390 --> 00:38:45,599
of the ufo community uh for such a long

845
00:38:50,710 --> 00:38:46,400
time

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00:38:54,069 --> 00:38:50,720
just a bit too serious

847
00:38:55,430 --> 00:38:54,079
well i think yeah i do and um the unite

848
00:38:57,589 --> 00:38:55,440
kind of just talked about that a little

849
00:39:00,710 --> 00:38:57,599
bit and like the thing is i take the

850
00:39:03,190 --> 00:39:00,720
subject as serious as anyone as i've

851
00:39:04,310 --> 00:39:03,200
ever met for for like for real you know

852
00:39:06,710 --> 00:39:04,320
but

853
00:39:09,030 --> 00:39:06,720
it is funny what we're talking about

854
00:39:10,550 --> 00:39:09,040
contact these stories are funny there's

855
00:39:12,230 --> 00:39:10,560
some ghost stories that really make me

856
00:39:14,150 --> 00:39:12,240
laugh because you know this phenomenon

857
00:39:16,950 --> 00:39:14,160
whatever it is is kind of a trickster

858
00:39:18,630 --> 00:39:16,960
and tricksters are funny you know so

859
00:39:20,630 --> 00:39:18,640
i just feel like

860
00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:20,640
it's like if you're if you have if you

861
00:39:25,270 --> 00:39:24,000
take every aspect of it so seriously

862
00:39:26,950 --> 00:39:25,280
i mean i don't know that seems

863
00:39:28,790 --> 00:39:26,960
exhausting right

864
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:28,800
you know that's why some parts of the

865
00:39:32,790 --> 00:39:30,800
ufo community i don't get as excited

866
00:39:35,190 --> 00:39:32,800
about as others you know i really like

867
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:35,200
the high strangeness weird aspect of

868
00:39:39,750 --> 00:39:37,359
this stuff because that will always be

869
00:39:42,150 --> 00:39:39,760
just so fascinating to me and uh

870
00:39:43,190 --> 00:39:42,160
you and i were talking before the show

871
00:39:45,990 --> 00:39:43,200
and

872
00:39:47,910 --> 00:39:46,000
i needed some data

873
00:39:50,790 --> 00:39:47,920
on sc tv

874
00:39:53,589 --> 00:39:50,800
okay i needed some data and i'm just

875
00:39:58,310 --> 00:39:53,599
gonna show everybody how serious i am

876
00:40:01,430 --> 00:39:58,320
with what i am about to say all right

877
00:40:05,109 --> 00:40:01,440
i need a date on sctv right there

878
00:40:07,430 --> 00:40:05,119
at 5 58 p.m one hour before the show i'm

879
00:40:10,710 --> 00:40:07,440
calling richard dolan

880
00:40:14,309 --> 00:40:10,720
richard doland mr sirius right mr

881
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:14,319
historian mr black and white pragmatic

882
00:40:20,630 --> 00:40:17,920
knows more about eugene levy than eugene

883
00:40:23,430 --> 00:40:20,640
levy and his family right

884
00:40:24,710 --> 00:40:23,440
he studies and and and richard's a very

885
00:40:26,230 --> 00:40:24,720
funny guy

886
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:26,240
but his

887
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:29,520
his escape is comedies and specifically

888
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:31,200
sc tv

889
00:40:35,510 --> 00:40:34,560
and and i i just think we need more of

890
00:40:39,109 --> 00:40:35,520
that

891
00:40:41,030 --> 00:40:39,119
in the ufo community not i'm not talking

892
00:40:43,030 --> 00:40:41,040
about we got to do stand-up at a ufo

893
00:40:45,030 --> 00:40:43,040
conference well no maybe that's not a

894
00:40:46,309 --> 00:40:45,040
bad idea although i think we you and i

895
00:40:48,710 --> 00:40:46,319
should probably do a two-man show at

896
00:40:51,589 --> 00:40:48,720
some point oh dude

897
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:51,599
you know what uh but we should you know

898
00:40:57,589 --> 00:40:53,920
try to you know just get things loosened

899
00:41:00,309 --> 00:40:57,599
up a little bit but uh so you and i uh

900
00:41:01,349 --> 00:41:00,319
did do a little little uh

901
00:41:04,870 --> 00:41:01,359
improv

902
00:41:07,990 --> 00:41:04,880
on on friday night and i

903
00:41:09,750 --> 00:41:08,000
what i enjoyed is you and i went right

904
00:41:11,430 --> 00:41:09,760
to the edge

905
00:41:13,910 --> 00:41:11,440
of funny

906
00:41:17,670 --> 00:41:13,920
we went right to the edge

907
00:41:21,670 --> 00:41:17,680
to non-funny right yeah

908
00:41:24,309 --> 00:41:21,680
very quickly but i love that moment that

909
00:41:27,750 --> 00:41:24,319
that knife edge thing that comes with

910
00:41:30,390 --> 00:41:27,760
improvisation right and and where

911
00:41:34,790 --> 00:41:30,400
people need to just step back

912
00:41:38,470 --> 00:41:34,800
and uh uh not take things so like dave

913
00:41:40,470 --> 00:41:38,480
chappelle who pushes it or others right

914
00:41:42,790 --> 00:41:40,480
sam kennison and

915
00:41:45,670 --> 00:41:42,800
where these these comedians great

916
00:41:48,710 --> 00:41:45,680
richard pryor took it to the edge you

917
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:48,720
know to the very edge and force people

918
00:41:53,589 --> 00:41:50,880
to take a look at themselves and maybe

919
00:41:55,510 --> 00:41:53,599
laugh a little uh on the journey

920
00:41:57,510 --> 00:41:55,520
absolutely and and i don't even see on

921
00:41:59,510 --> 00:41:57,520
top of it just you know it's like fold

922
00:42:00,790 --> 00:41:59,520
and not that we need to fold in the the

923
00:42:02,950 --> 00:42:00,800
subject but

924
00:42:04,069 --> 00:42:02,960
improvisation is living in the unknown

925
00:42:06,710 --> 00:42:04,079
you know you don't know what's going to

926
00:42:08,630 --> 00:42:06,720
happen next there's no script on stage

927
00:42:10,950 --> 00:42:08,640
that is what like you know

928
00:42:12,950 --> 00:42:10,960
the ufo phenomenon all these subjects

929
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:12,960
that we love they're the unknown so they

930
00:42:16,630 --> 00:42:15,280
go hand in hand so like even as a

931
00:42:18,630 --> 00:42:16,640
researcher you should be able to

932
00:42:20,790 --> 00:42:18,640
improvise like and change your mind and

933
00:42:22,710 --> 00:42:20,800
opinion from day to day if you want to

934
00:42:25,990 --> 00:42:22,720
or have to there's nothing wrong you

935
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:26,000
know so like with this subject like i i

936
00:42:30,069 --> 00:42:28,240
change my mind every year how i view it

937
00:42:32,309 --> 00:42:30,079
you know constantly you know i'm not

938
00:42:33,829 --> 00:42:32,319
like well i figured it out it's this you

939
00:42:35,829 --> 00:42:33,839
know right

940
00:42:37,990 --> 00:42:35,839
but some and that's sometimes where i

941
00:42:39,510 --> 00:42:38,000
feel like the you know what what kind

942
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:39,520
makes me laugh about how serious people

943
00:42:44,069 --> 00:42:41,920
take it is how serious their stance is

944
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:44,079
on certain things how certain they are

945
00:42:47,349 --> 00:42:46,000
to me i'm like that's kind of funny

946
00:42:49,750 --> 00:42:47,359
because how can you be certain about

947
00:42:51,190 --> 00:42:49,760
anything is in these subjects and that's

948
00:42:53,190 --> 00:42:51,200
what's fun about them they're unknown

949
00:42:55,829 --> 00:42:53,200
they're mysteries that is that is one of

950
00:42:59,430 --> 00:42:55,839
the best points and i always

951
00:43:02,950 --> 00:42:59,440
uh train my mind into

952
00:43:05,670 --> 00:43:02,960
if anybody says it's this way and they

953
00:43:07,990 --> 00:43:05,680
know it in in ufology

954
00:43:12,309 --> 00:43:08,000
run

955
00:43:14,230 --> 00:43:12,319
dude i feel the exact same way when

956
00:43:15,430 --> 00:43:14,240
someone's like well it's this i'm like

957
00:43:16,710 --> 00:43:15,440
okay

958
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:16,720
bye-bye

959
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:18,880
gotta go gotta go

960
00:43:26,950 --> 00:43:22,640
what is uh what is more challenging uh

961
00:43:30,630 --> 00:43:26,960
for you as an actor and a comedian is it

962
00:43:33,030 --> 00:43:30,640
improvisation or is it scripted material

963
00:43:36,630 --> 00:43:33,040
what is the greater challenge

964
00:43:40,069 --> 00:43:36,640
oh boy well you know i i think like at

965
00:43:41,750 --> 00:43:40,079
this point if the writing is good you

966
00:43:44,309 --> 00:43:41,760
know at like

967
00:43:45,829 --> 00:43:44,319
performing when the writing is good

968
00:43:47,670 --> 00:43:45,839
doesn't feel that hard because the

969
00:43:49,829 --> 00:43:47,680
writing stands for itself you just have

970
00:43:51,270 --> 00:43:49,839
to communicate it in a convincing way so

971
00:43:52,950 --> 00:43:51,280
i think if the writing is good

972
00:43:55,030 --> 00:43:52,960
definitely scripted stuff

973
00:43:56,550 --> 00:43:55,040
but sometimes i've been on set and on

974
00:43:57,990 --> 00:43:56,560
jobs where they're like the writing is

975
00:43:59,750 --> 00:43:58,000
not working the dialogue's not working

976
00:44:02,069 --> 00:43:59,760
you know it's just not clicking

977
00:44:03,670 --> 00:44:02,079
and i am lucky enough i guess whatever

978
00:44:05,750 --> 00:44:03,680
i've trained myself to have the skill to

979
00:44:07,430 --> 00:44:05,760
be able to come in on a moment's notice

980
00:44:09,190 --> 00:44:07,440
and maybe tweak it and make it funny on

981
00:44:10,470 --> 00:44:09,200
the day like with you know

982
00:44:12,390 --> 00:44:10,480
when the you know when you're under the

983
00:44:14,630 --> 00:44:12,400
gun you're under pressure a lot of money

984
00:44:16,309 --> 00:44:14,640
is being spent and you feel like uh can

985
00:44:18,630 --> 00:44:16,319
you make this funny in five minutes i'm

986
00:44:20,470 --> 00:44:18,640
like okay no it doesn't always work but

987
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:20,480
i have a fairly high success rate and i

988
00:44:23,910 --> 00:44:22,480
feel like it's kind of helped me stay in

989
00:44:25,910 --> 00:44:23,920
the business for a little you know a

990
00:44:29,270 --> 00:44:25,920
little longer so

991
00:44:32,870 --> 00:44:29,280
improv is is just easy for you

992
00:44:35,829 --> 00:44:32,880
um you know i mean easy i guess it comes

993
00:44:38,230 --> 00:44:35,839
fairly easy you know i mean i i

994
00:44:40,390 --> 00:44:38,240
performed you know well over a thousand

995
00:44:42,150 --> 00:44:40,400
shows i mean for years i was performing

996
00:44:44,309 --> 00:44:42,160
five nights a week at like you know

997
00:44:45,670 --> 00:44:44,319
second city la and improv olympic and

998
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:45,680
some ucb

999
00:44:49,109 --> 00:44:47,599
and so i just you know

1000
00:44:50,470 --> 00:44:49,119
it took a long time but you know i think

1001
00:44:52,230 --> 00:44:50,480
if you do anything for 10 years

1002
00:44:55,030 --> 00:44:52,240
consistently you're going to get pretty

1003
00:44:58,870 --> 00:44:55,040
good at it you know now i and and let's

1004
00:45:02,630 --> 00:44:58,880
talk about improv for a second because

1005
00:45:06,230 --> 00:45:02,640
i always see the challenge with improv

1006
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:06,240
is not the individual it's the cast

1007
00:45:10,470 --> 00:45:08,720
and if you've got a squeaky wheel if

1008
00:45:12,870 --> 00:45:10,480
you've got a cog that is just not

1009
00:45:15,829 --> 00:45:12,880
working

1010
00:45:19,109 --> 00:45:15,839
it doesn't work for every that's it that

1011
00:45:21,349 --> 00:45:19,119
ev everybody is is struggling

1012
00:45:23,430 --> 00:45:21,359
yes if if everybody isn't clicking on

1013
00:45:25,670 --> 00:45:23,440
all cylinders all the time

1014
00:45:27,510 --> 00:45:25,680
yeah you at best even if like there's

1015
00:45:29,829 --> 00:45:27,520
like six people in the group and five

1016
00:45:31,670 --> 00:45:29,839
are killing it that night if one's off

1017
00:45:32,950 --> 00:45:31,680
at best you can have an adequate show

1018
00:45:34,630 --> 00:45:32,960
where you feel like the fans didn't get

1019
00:45:37,510 --> 00:45:34,640
ripped off right but

1020
00:45:39,190 --> 00:45:37,520
usually it tanks if like it it does

1021
00:45:40,870 --> 00:45:39,200
require because you know

1022
00:45:42,470 --> 00:45:40,880
improvisation especially on stage with

1023
00:45:44,710 --> 00:45:42,480
the group it's all about group mind and

1024
00:45:46,390 --> 00:45:44,720
being in sync and playing jazz

1025
00:45:47,829 --> 00:45:46,400
and you know so

1026
00:45:50,470 --> 00:45:47,839
everyone

1027
00:45:53,190 --> 00:45:50,480
needs to be on and you know 100

1028
00:45:56,230 --> 00:45:53,200
for to have a great show i think now uh

1029
00:45:59,829 --> 00:45:56,240
who did you as as you were growing up

1030
00:46:02,470 --> 00:45:59,839
who did you admire as a comedian

1031
00:46:04,230 --> 00:46:02,480
you know in terms like mainstream guys

1032
00:46:06,150 --> 00:46:04,240
bill murray for sure and a lot of it

1033
00:46:08,230 --> 00:46:06,160
really was like second city chicago guys

1034
00:46:11,030 --> 00:46:08,240
and second city you know toronto people

1035
00:46:13,270 --> 00:46:11,040
you know like uh you know uh you know

1036
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:13,280
all the sc tv guys even though sct was

1037
00:46:16,790 --> 00:46:15,280
like a little bit before my time a lot

1038
00:46:19,430 --> 00:46:16,800
of those guys went on you know john

1039
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:19,440
candy my god how great was john candy

1040
00:46:23,750 --> 00:46:21,280
he's a total hero of mine i love john

1041
00:46:26,069 --> 00:46:23,760
candy uh dabney coleman

1042
00:46:28,470 --> 00:46:26,079
who is just a character actor but man is

1043
00:46:30,790 --> 00:46:28,480
he so funny well played

1044
00:46:33,109 --> 00:46:30,800
well you know yeah i feel like i rip him

1045
00:46:33,910 --> 00:46:33,119
off almost more than any other actor

1046
00:46:36,870 --> 00:46:33,920
really

1047
00:46:39,510 --> 00:46:36,880
subtly funny man dude you know what uh

1048
00:46:43,430 --> 00:46:39,520
what was uh i'm trying to think of this

1049
00:46:45,750 --> 00:46:43,440
uh movie he was in he didn't do much um

1050
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:45,760
and i thought to myself it doesn't it

1051
00:46:51,109 --> 00:46:47,839
doesn't get any funnier

1052
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:51,119
than dabney coleman yeah he he's he's so

1053
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:52,640
good and he was a character right so he

1054
00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:54,560
was never like the star or maybe he was

1055
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:56,640
a couple movies but he was mostly worked

1056
00:47:00,550 --> 00:46:58,800
as a character right so he would come in

1057
00:47:03,910 --> 00:47:00,560
and just be in two or three scenes in a

1058
00:47:05,829 --> 00:47:03,920
movie and just destroy right right right

1059
00:47:07,030 --> 00:47:05,839
and make the movie better you know and

1060
00:47:08,550 --> 00:47:07,040
those are the guys i've always really

1061
00:47:10,630 --> 00:47:08,560
admired because like look at me i'm not

1062
00:47:13,109 --> 00:47:10,640
a leading man dude i'm a character actor

1063
00:47:14,630 --> 00:47:13,119
so i i like coming in

1064
00:47:16,150 --> 00:47:14,640
you know making a couple moments funny

1065
00:47:18,710 --> 00:47:16,160
or making a couple moments whatever they

1066
00:47:19,910 --> 00:47:18,720
need but like being a character actor

1067
00:47:21,910 --> 00:47:19,920
people always think oh you want to be

1068
00:47:24,390 --> 00:47:21,920
this big star and you know the star of a

1069
00:47:27,349 --> 00:47:24,400
movie star tv show not me i want to be

1070
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,359
like the fifth or sixth guy come in

1071
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:29,839
steal a couple laughs and get out right

1072
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:31,599
right now if you think about back to

1073
00:47:35,349 --> 00:47:34,400
school right right dangerfield great

1074
00:47:36,470 --> 00:47:35,359
movie

1075
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:36,480
rodney

1076
00:47:40,069 --> 00:47:37,440
no

1077
00:47:42,870 --> 00:47:40,079
it was that scene with uh

1078
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:42,880
sam kennison as a schoolteacher

1079
00:47:47,670 --> 00:47:45,760
and that one scene

1080
00:47:51,750 --> 00:47:47,680
just absolutely destroyed the rest of

1081
00:47:55,349 --> 00:47:51,760
the movie yep yep and how great he was

1082
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:55,359
when you look back at um uh sctv you're

1083
00:47:58,150 --> 00:47:56,880
right about this

1084
00:48:01,349 --> 00:47:58,160
because

1085
00:48:04,309 --> 00:48:01,359
there's a little movie uh called um club

1086
00:48:07,510 --> 00:48:04,319
paradise uh with robin williams which

1087
00:48:10,069 --> 00:48:07,520
has got the sctv cast right right very

1088
00:48:12,549 --> 00:48:10,079
smart move by the way uh if you're gonna

1089
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:12,559
play that out but you know john canny uh

1090
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:14,640
john candy of course uh just talked

1091
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:18,240
about him flaherty um he's the pilot in

1092
00:48:24,309 --> 00:48:22,079
in uh club paradise actually seen

1093
00:48:26,309 --> 00:48:24,319
steeler in that too as well andrea

1094
00:48:28,870 --> 00:48:26,319
martin who's in club paradise rick

1095
00:48:32,069 --> 00:48:28,880
moranis in club paradise catherine

1096
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:32,079
o'hara you know of course harold ramis

1097
00:48:37,750 --> 00:48:34,880
martin is short the whole ed grimley

1098
00:48:39,190 --> 00:48:37,760
thing came out of sc tv

1099
00:48:41,829 --> 00:48:39,200
dave thomas

1100
00:48:44,150 --> 00:48:41,839
uh you know doug mckenzie right and that

1101
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:44,160
is a murderer's row of improvisational

1102
00:48:48,950 --> 00:48:46,960
comedians right there can you imagine

1103
00:48:51,030 --> 00:48:48,960
and i didn't even mention eugene levy

1104
00:48:53,030 --> 00:48:51,040
right oh yeah right i bet they didn't

1105
00:48:55,190 --> 00:48:53,040
say one scripted word i swear to god

1106
00:48:58,470 --> 00:48:55,200
there's no way those guys did

1107
00:48:59,510 --> 00:48:58,480
and in in the comfort zone that they

1108
00:49:02,710 --> 00:48:59,520
were in

1109
00:49:06,710 --> 00:49:02,720
the creativity level that was taking off

1110
00:49:09,030 --> 00:49:06,720
um and the ability of not only riffing

1111
00:49:11,829 --> 00:49:09,040
off of each other but knowing that

1112
00:49:13,910 --> 00:49:11,839
you've got this baseball team around you

1113
00:49:16,150 --> 00:49:13,920
right that where everybody is swinging

1114
00:49:17,030 --> 00:49:16,160
all the time for the stands right

1115
00:49:18,390 --> 00:49:17,040
right

1116
00:49:19,910 --> 00:49:18,400
and i mean

1117
00:49:21,430 --> 00:49:19,920
those guys i mean obviously look what

1118
00:49:23,030 --> 00:49:21,440
they went on to do they were such

1119
00:49:25,670 --> 00:49:23,040
anchors in almost everything they were

1120
00:49:27,190 --> 00:49:25,680
in yeah you know like it's like i bet i

1121
00:49:28,710 --> 00:49:27,200
bet on the day there's so many times

1122
00:49:30,309 --> 00:49:28,720
where the script wasn't working on a

1123
00:49:32,630 --> 00:49:30,319
john candy movie and then he's like all

1124
00:49:33,750 --> 00:49:32,640
right don't worry i got this and just

1125
00:49:37,270 --> 00:49:33,760
you know

1126
00:49:38,950 --> 00:49:37,280
to look really good and john katie like

1127
00:49:40,549 --> 00:49:38,960
got to look really good everyone won

1128
00:49:42,470 --> 00:49:40,559
yeah but that's what those guys could do

1129
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:42,480
you know yeah yeah there's no question

1130
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:45,599
about it and now switching this back

1131
00:49:51,990 --> 00:49:49,359
over though to ufos yeah um and and

1132
00:49:56,790 --> 00:49:52,000
there's there's a method to my madness

1133
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:56,800
um if you are with your friends

1134
00:50:01,910 --> 00:49:58,800
you know you're on the set for comedy

1135
00:50:04,230 --> 00:50:01,920
central right is this a subject that is

1136
00:50:06,470 --> 00:50:04,240
funny to you guys is it something that

1137
00:50:07,910 --> 00:50:06,480
you guys talk about or does it go into

1138
00:50:09,589 --> 00:50:07,920
serious mode

1139
00:50:11,510 --> 00:50:09,599
um you know

1140
00:50:13,670 --> 00:50:11,520
i will sort of like you know in a

1141
00:50:15,430 --> 00:50:13,680
self-deprecating way you know be like

1142
00:50:16,950 --> 00:50:15,440
you know i mean like it's funny i'll be

1143
00:50:18,710 --> 00:50:16,960
on set and i'll literally be reading

1144
00:50:20,470 --> 00:50:18,720
like a john keel book or jacques valley

1145
00:50:21,910 --> 00:50:20,480
book and people are like what is that

1146
00:50:23,829 --> 00:50:21,920
and then i'll explain to it in the

1147
00:50:25,510 --> 00:50:23,839
self-deprecating way i'll like pretend

1148
00:50:26,950 --> 00:50:25,520
like i'm some true believer it's like no

1149
00:50:28,710 --> 00:50:26,960
i was abducted and this is you know i'm

1150
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:28,720
doing research and so i'll kind of go

1151
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:30,960
into a bit like that but then i'll be

1152
00:50:34,549 --> 00:50:32,960
serious and kind of go well have you

1153
00:50:36,470 --> 00:50:34,559
ever seen anything or experienced

1154
00:50:38,230 --> 00:50:36,480
something and i'm not joking i swear to

1155
00:50:40,790 --> 00:50:38,240
god jimmy because i've been i've been

1156
00:50:42,630 --> 00:50:40,800
asking friends if you've known me for

1157
00:50:44,470 --> 00:50:42,640
more than five minutes i'm gonna ask you

1158
00:50:46,870 --> 00:50:44,480
if you've had a paranormal experience

1159
00:50:48,549 --> 00:50:46,880
and i swear to god half the people i ask

1160
00:50:50,549 --> 00:50:48,559
say yes and then all of a sudden they're

1161
00:50:53,190 --> 00:50:50,559
like well you know what actually after

1162
00:50:55,589 --> 00:50:53,200
my grandma died you know and then people

1163
00:50:58,069 --> 00:50:55,599
start telling me so like i have like

1164
00:50:59,510 --> 00:50:58,079
almost this weird reputation like i mean

1165
00:51:01,030 --> 00:50:59,520
not it's not like i think that people

1166
00:51:01,990 --> 00:51:01,040
who don't know me know but like if you

1167
00:51:03,430 --> 00:51:02,000
know me

1168
00:51:05,510 --> 00:51:03,440
people will come up to me and talk to me

1169
00:51:07,270 --> 00:51:05,520
about this stuff because i'm not funny

1170
00:51:09,670 --> 00:51:07,280
i'm very serious when it comes to this

1171
00:51:11,109 --> 00:51:09,680
stuff and i love to learn

1172
00:51:12,470 --> 00:51:11,119
from people who experience this stuff

1173
00:51:13,829 --> 00:51:12,480
because i feel like the more i hear the

1174
00:51:15,670 --> 00:51:13,839
most you know

1175
00:51:17,510 --> 00:51:15,680
i see i think witness testimony is

1176
00:51:18,950 --> 00:51:17,520
wonderful even though it's anecdotal i

1177
00:51:20,710 --> 00:51:18,960
think it's very important it's some of

1178
00:51:21,589 --> 00:51:20,720
the best data we can actually collect i

1179
00:51:24,390 --> 00:51:21,599
think

1180
00:51:26,470 --> 00:51:24,400
and i love these stories they help me

1181
00:51:29,670 --> 00:51:26,480
understand it so much more

1182
00:51:32,630 --> 00:51:29,680
i i i'm just gonna let everybody know

1183
00:51:35,109 --> 00:51:32,640
that uh steve and i are sitting uh in

1184
00:51:37,670 --> 00:51:35,119
the audience and we're watching

1185
00:51:39,109 --> 00:51:37,680
uh a presentation going on on stage i

1186
00:51:41,589 --> 00:51:39,119
think it was jacques valet actually it

1187
00:51:44,630 --> 00:51:41,599
was and uh and so steve sitting next to

1188
00:51:47,510 --> 00:51:44,640
me uh uh uh somebody was in between us

1189
00:51:50,630 --> 00:51:47,520
but anyway steve is uh two two three

1190
00:51:51,829 --> 00:51:50,640
seats over i kept looking at him going

1191
00:51:58,150 --> 00:51:51,839
let's go

1192
00:52:00,150 --> 00:51:58,160
i'm staying right here and i i tried to

1193
00:52:01,829 --> 00:52:00,160
get you out of there for about 25

1194
00:52:03,430 --> 00:52:01,839
minutes yeah you wanted to go take you

1195
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:03,440
went to go have a quick cocktail and i

1196
00:52:07,829 --> 00:52:06,319
was like i'll i'll meet you there but my

1197
00:52:09,190 --> 00:52:07,839
my you know i don't know if you like i

1198
00:52:11,589 --> 00:52:09,200
can't like

1199
00:52:13,349 --> 00:52:11,599
impress upon you enough if i if you

1200
00:52:14,630 --> 00:52:13,359
talked to me a week ago if you could say

1201
00:52:15,750 --> 00:52:14,640
if you could meet anyone in the world

1202
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:15,760
who would it be and i would tell you

1203
00:52:19,109 --> 00:52:16,880
jack valen

1204
00:52:20,309 --> 00:52:19,119
he is it for me there's two people in

1205
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:20,319
this world i

1206
00:52:24,309 --> 00:52:21,839
revere more than anything in the world

1207
00:52:26,150 --> 00:52:24,319
it's jacques fillet and david lynch

1208
00:52:28,069 --> 00:52:26,160
and luckily i've got to shake both their

1209
00:52:29,829 --> 00:52:28,079
hands but shaking jacques valley's hand

1210
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:29,839
i swear to god

1211
00:52:33,430 --> 00:52:32,160
i i almost i felt like i had another bad

1212
00:52:35,349 --> 00:52:33,440
experience

1213
00:52:37,829 --> 00:52:35,359
that guy to me is like the end-all

1214
00:52:39,349 --> 00:52:37,839
be-all man i worship him

1215
00:52:41,670 --> 00:52:39,359
and then

1216
00:52:45,349 --> 00:52:41,680
it went down

1217
00:52:46,390 --> 00:52:45,359
so after this amazing weekend and i find

1218
00:52:50,069 --> 00:52:46,400
out

1219
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:50,079
uh that you hadn't had a ufo experience

1220
00:52:53,589 --> 00:52:51,680
yet i said okay

1221
00:52:54,790 --> 00:52:53,599
i've got an empty seat in the fade to

1222
00:52:57,270 --> 00:52:54,800
black cheap

1223
00:52:59,910 --> 00:52:57,280
you want to go sky watching with us

1224
00:53:01,910 --> 00:52:59,920
yes please yes yes please and we go and

1225
00:53:05,109 --> 00:53:01,920
do this but

1226
00:53:08,309 --> 00:53:05,119
uh and the sky watching part was fun uh

1227
00:53:11,589 --> 00:53:08,319
that that meteor or whatever that the

1228
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:11,599
the iss re-entering uh the atmosphere

1229
00:53:16,069 --> 00:53:14,400
that i i've done a lot of things

1230
00:53:19,190 --> 00:53:16,079
but i've never seen anything like that

1231
00:53:19,910 --> 00:53:19,200
that was that was pretty cool but yeah

1232
00:53:25,430 --> 00:53:19,920
we

1233
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:25,440
petroglyphs

1234
00:53:31,349 --> 00:53:28,640
uh-huh how did that affect you

1235
00:53:33,910 --> 00:53:31,359
oh my god and i mean i told you this and

1236
00:53:36,630 --> 00:53:33,920
i think you agree this is an all-timer

1237
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,640
for me okay like real quick

1238
00:53:39,750 --> 00:53:38,800
we went out there right and we had heard

1239
00:53:41,430 --> 00:53:39,760
um

1240
00:53:43,910 --> 00:53:41,440
daniel who we were with you know and

1241
00:53:45,510 --> 00:53:43,920
he's pretty hip to all this stuff he had

1242
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:45,520
hurt he's like oh yeah there's some you

1243
00:53:48,630 --> 00:53:47,359
know petroglyphs out there and he didn't

1244
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:48,640
make it sound like it was a big deal

1245
00:53:52,470 --> 00:53:49,520
right

1246
00:53:53,910 --> 00:53:52,480
and so we go out there and mind you

1247
00:53:57,349 --> 00:53:53,920
everyone we

1248
00:53:58,950 --> 00:53:57,359
we are in the desert like it is as dark

1249
00:54:01,990 --> 00:53:58,960
as i mean there's moonlight right but

1250
00:54:03,589 --> 00:54:02,000
like there's no city lights it is dark

1251
00:54:04,630 --> 00:54:03,599
as hell up in

1252
00:54:06,390 --> 00:54:04,640
and so

1253
00:54:08,390 --> 00:54:06,400
you know we're fumbling around thank god

1254
00:54:09,430 --> 00:54:08,400
you had a flashlight or two

1255
00:54:11,270 --> 00:54:09,440
but

1256
00:54:13,190 --> 00:54:11,280
as we're going we're like oh hopefully

1257
00:54:14,630 --> 00:54:13,200
we'll see these petroglyphs people start

1258
00:54:16,870 --> 00:54:14,640
shining their flashlights and all of a

1259
00:54:19,270 --> 00:54:16,880
sudden we're like wait what oh my god

1260
00:54:21,910 --> 00:54:19,280
there's giant panels

1261
00:54:24,470 --> 00:54:21,920
of like the most ornate beautiful

1262
00:54:26,710 --> 00:54:24,480
petroglyphs very unique looking too i

1263
00:54:28,309 --> 00:54:26,720
think for north america and it compares

1264
00:54:30,069 --> 00:54:28,319
like you know mesa verde and choco hill

1265
00:54:31,990 --> 00:54:30,079
some of the other ones i've seen these

1266
00:54:34,549 --> 00:54:32,000
look totally different to me

1267
00:54:35,990 --> 00:54:34,559
and they were everywhere they were all

1268
00:54:38,150 --> 00:54:36,000
over the place

1269
00:54:40,069 --> 00:54:38,160
and we were just absolutely dumped out i

1270
00:54:41,670 --> 00:54:40,079
mean none of us expected that and it

1271
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:41,680
felt like a true mystery because this is

1272
00:54:46,230 --> 00:54:43,760
like open to the public we were on

1273
00:54:47,589 --> 00:54:46,240
public land we were stumbling i thought

1274
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:47,599
we were in the goonies you know like we

1275
00:54:54,950 --> 00:54:48,400
were

1276
00:54:57,349 --> 00:54:54,960
thrilling absolutely thrilling to me and

1277
00:55:01,190 --> 00:54:57,359
the uh the

1278
00:55:03,750 --> 00:55:01,200
ability the chance the opportunity

1279
00:55:08,390 --> 00:55:03,760
to just point a flashlight in this

1280
00:55:09,990 --> 00:55:08,400
canyon on a wall and see something else

1281
00:55:12,069 --> 00:55:10,000
it was like endless

1282
00:55:14,390 --> 00:55:12,079
yeah that was the crazy part for me it

1283
00:55:17,270 --> 00:55:14,400
was just like everywhere you looked

1284
00:55:19,270 --> 00:55:17,280
was another part of this story that was

1285
00:55:21,670 --> 00:55:19,280
that was being told to us

1286
00:55:23,030 --> 00:55:21,680
right right and then you know uh you i

1287
00:55:24,789 --> 00:55:23,040
and olivia were kind of like you know

1288
00:55:26,710 --> 00:55:24,799
doing some and probably everyone else

1289
00:55:27,670 --> 00:55:26,720
was but uh we were all that night we

1290
00:55:28,870 --> 00:55:27,680
were all up to like four in the morning

1291
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:28,880
right we're doing our research and we

1292
00:55:32,470 --> 00:55:30,720
discovered that it was there

1293
00:55:34,789 --> 00:55:32,480
that they think it's their creation

1294
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:34,799
story which happens in three cycles

1295
00:55:39,829 --> 00:55:37,760
starts off as gods walk the earth then a

1296
00:55:41,430 --> 00:55:39,839
half animal half humans walk the earth

1297
00:55:43,349 --> 00:55:41,440
then man walk the earth and that's what

1298
00:55:44,870 --> 00:55:43,359
these pictographs were

1299
00:55:47,589 --> 00:55:44,880
that was the narrative they were telling

1300
00:55:48,710 --> 00:55:47,599
and i'm like that is so cool you know

1301
00:55:51,910 --> 00:55:48,720
like

1302
00:55:54,549 --> 00:55:51,920
there was um uh

1303
00:55:56,789 --> 00:55:54,559
there was a flow to this

1304
00:55:58,390 --> 00:55:56,799
and at the end we'll continue the

1305
00:56:01,270 --> 00:55:58,400
discussion when we come back after the

1306
00:56:04,470 --> 00:56:01,280
break but there was a flow to this

1307
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:04,480
and uh to the story we didn't know that

1308
00:56:10,309 --> 00:56:07,520
at the time but the funny part was you

1309
00:56:13,510 --> 00:56:10,319
could you could feel it yeah they were

1310
00:56:15,109 --> 00:56:13,520
trying to tell us something

1311
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:15,119
and and

1312
00:56:18,710 --> 00:56:17,839
and then we find the little space man

1313
00:56:21,589 --> 00:56:18,720
dude

1314
00:56:24,230 --> 00:56:21,599
and we find that dna thing

1315
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:24,240
at at the entrance to a cave

1316
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:26,640
now now we're on a real adventure i mean

1317
00:56:40,870 --> 00:56:28,799
he got crazy today that blew my mind

1318
00:56:44,549 --> 00:56:42,789
and you and i were like you know we have

1319
00:56:46,150 --> 00:56:44,559
been walking scurrying up boulders and

1320
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:46,160
like you know it's kind of tiring and

1321
00:56:49,589 --> 00:56:48,160
like you know we you and i were like all

1322
00:56:51,190 --> 00:56:49,599
right you know and then they're up and

1323
00:56:52,789 --> 00:56:51,200
held like hey jimmy steve you guys gotta

1324
00:56:54,630 --> 00:56:52,799
say this we're like ah just take a

1325
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:54,640
picture and talk about that later you

1326
00:57:03,910 --> 00:57:01,190
and that's a really funny point because

1327
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:03,920
steve and i uh you know the biggest

1328
00:57:07,910 --> 00:57:06,000
oldest dudes in the crowd right yeah so

1329
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:07,920
we're down at the bottom of the hill and

1330
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:10,880
uh facetime is everybody we're cool down

1331
00:57:14,230 --> 00:57:13,440
here and they kept yelling

1332
00:57:20,549 --> 00:57:14,240
and

1333
00:57:23,030 --> 00:57:20,559
the rest of this uh unfold when you

1334
00:57:24,950 --> 00:57:23,040
looked at that space man i can't explain

1335
00:57:27,190 --> 00:57:24,960
it any other way than that

1336
00:57:28,710 --> 00:57:27,200
uh what went through your mind because i

1337
00:57:31,270 --> 00:57:28,720
i had chills

1338
00:57:32,710 --> 00:57:31,280
well i mean obviously i'm out you know

1339
00:57:34,390 --> 00:57:32,720
you know taking the whole week into

1340
00:57:36,069 --> 00:57:34,400
effect it was

1341
00:57:37,670 --> 00:57:36,079
mind blowing i mean like it really does

1342
00:57:39,430 --> 00:57:37,680
look it looked like a little like you

1343
00:57:41,270 --> 00:57:39,440
know i mean

1344
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,280
a little astronaut

1345
00:57:45,109 --> 00:57:43,280
guy you know and obviously you know

1346
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:45,119
probably maybe it was like you know a

1347
00:57:49,430 --> 00:57:46,960
half animal half human that they were

1348
00:57:51,510 --> 00:57:49,440
depicting their creation story but when

1349
00:57:53,430 --> 00:57:51,520
you know taken to an event who we're all

1350
00:57:55,030 --> 00:57:53,440
out there with you know a bunch of you

1351
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:55,040
saucer buffs like us

1352
00:57:58,630 --> 00:57:56,720
we had just been coming back from a ufo

1353
00:58:00,390 --> 00:57:58,640
conference and then we see that in front

1354
00:58:03,190 --> 00:58:00,400
of a cave i mean like i almost wet

1355
00:58:05,190 --> 00:58:03,200
myself now what about uh i've got 15

1356
00:58:09,750 --> 00:58:05,200
seconds before the break

1357
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:09,760
there were sperm everywhere too as well

1358
00:58:13,670 --> 00:58:12,240
right so when you have dna sperm and

1359
00:58:15,670 --> 00:58:13,680
space man

1360
00:58:18,230 --> 00:58:15,680
uh you know

1361
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:18,240
it's just like it's so obvious

1362
00:58:24,230 --> 00:58:21,040
how does and i guess

1363
00:58:27,349 --> 00:58:24,240
but how does somebody 2 000 years ago

1364
00:58:29,510 --> 00:58:27,359
uh depict stuff like that i don't know

1365
00:58:31,829 --> 00:58:29,520
and then i mean

1366
00:58:33,510 --> 00:58:31,839
even along with the sperm there was mike

1367
00:58:34,950 --> 00:58:33,520
who's like you know the into nano

1368
00:58:36,549 --> 00:58:34,960
technology he's like a genius guy you

1369
00:58:37,829 --> 00:58:36,559
know pulls out his phone he's like look

1370
00:58:39,430 --> 00:58:37,839
at this and he's like i'm like what is

1371
00:58:41,270 --> 00:58:39,440
that he's like this is the mitochondria

1372
00:58:42,710 --> 00:58:41,280
then he points at uh one of the glyphs

1373
00:58:44,150 --> 00:58:42,720
in the rock he's like that looks like a

1374
00:58:46,069 --> 00:58:44,160
mitochondria and look over there that

1375
00:58:48,069 --> 00:58:46,079
looks like a double helix you know the

1376
00:58:49,270 --> 00:58:48,079
genetic code thing whatever the little

1377
00:58:51,190 --> 00:58:49,280
so i mean like

1378
00:58:54,470 --> 00:58:51,200
and maybe i'm i'm just wanting to see

1379
00:58:56,150 --> 00:58:54,480
that but man it really it really there

1380
00:58:58,630 --> 00:58:56,160
looked like a lot of like biological

1381
00:59:02,069 --> 00:58:58,640
symbols there was you know i was uh

1382
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:02,079
talking to olivia today and i said uh

1383
00:59:08,069 --> 00:59:03,119
those

1384
00:59:10,950 --> 00:59:08,079
you see in nature

1385
00:59:12,950 --> 00:59:10,960
no right it's not leaves and trees and

1386
00:59:13,589 --> 00:59:12,960
goats and bears

1387
00:59:19,750 --> 00:59:13,599
it

1388
00:59:22,390 --> 00:59:19,760
take our break right here this is fade

1389
00:59:25,030 --> 00:59:22,400
to black our guest tonight steve berg

1390
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:25,040
we've got a lot to talk about and i want

1391
00:59:28,950 --> 00:59:27,599
to talk more about this

1392
00:59:31,990 --> 00:59:28,960
little petr

1393
00:59:34,230 --> 00:59:32,000
petroglyph expedition because it was

1394
00:59:35,190 --> 00:59:34,240
extraordinary it was a game changer for

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me

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and uh we'll cover all of that and

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continue the conversation after this

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short break this is fade to block on the

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game changer network and the an x

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welcome back fade to black i am your

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i'm posting a picture right now on

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with the right appropriate caption

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this is steve berg and i on stage

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trying to make people laugh

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and

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okay

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um uh

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this is i i don't want it

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you only have yes or no

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am i funny

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yes okay that's it stop right there do

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that stop don't stop i knew you were

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01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:42,000
funny before we hung out oh stop that

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01:05:45,589 --> 01:05:43,520
stop that i just needed to hear that

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01:05:48,390 --> 01:05:45,599
from you that's my ego i love but i like

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your tongue in on a serious level though

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what i i think you know what you and i

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01:05:53,750 --> 01:05:52,400
have in common obviously it's probably a

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01:05:54,710 --> 01:05:53,760
lot of things but

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you

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01:06:00,470 --> 01:05:58,720
are so dead serious about this subject

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01:06:01,910 --> 01:06:00,480
and yet you're very funny

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01:06:04,630 --> 01:06:01,920
and you like to laugh and you like to

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01:06:07,750 --> 01:06:04,640
like have fun and that's what like i

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01:06:09,990 --> 01:06:07,760
more of you please because i feel like

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this is a fun subject it is like a

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privilege to be able to talk about it

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01:06:16,390 --> 01:06:13,440
and like read about it as much as we get

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to so enjoy it you know it's a beautiful

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01:06:19,829 --> 01:06:18,400
thing yeah you know like

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well um

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and my appreciation for all things funny

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01:06:28,789 --> 01:06:26,480
um led me to

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the good place now

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i just want to talk about this briefly

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um i

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i've watched you wiggle your way into

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the ufo community well done mission

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accomplished

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how do you wiggle your way into the

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comedy genius of the good place

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uh you know

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just old-school way i you know get

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01:06:53,109 --> 01:06:50,960
casting you know my agent sends me an

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01:06:55,430 --> 01:06:53,119
audition i go to the audition and uh i

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had been you know uh this wonderful

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01:06:59,109 --> 01:06:57,039
casting director allison jones who's

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01:07:01,910 --> 01:06:59,119
done you know so many great

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01:07:03,990 --> 01:07:01,920
big comedies and wonderful tv shows

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01:07:05,829 --> 01:07:04,000
had uh booked me on a couple jobs and so

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she liked me for this part before i came

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01:07:09,750 --> 01:07:07,920
in and i read for the part you know went

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01:07:11,589 --> 01:07:09,760
back in for a producer session and got

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01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:11,599
you know got the role and they you know

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01:07:14,870 --> 01:07:12,960
it was an interesting show because it

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was shot like nothing else like they did

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not give me

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my lines until i showed up on set

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i didn't get to read the script so in a

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way it had sort of an improvisational

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feel because like everything was like i

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would walk into work i'm like i don't

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even know what i'm wearing i don't even

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01:07:31,430 --> 01:07:29,440
know what like my character is supposed

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to be and because this show was so

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secretive and they wanted to keep

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uh the mystery kind of going for the

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cast they did not tell you anything

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so that was great

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amazing cast on that film and a lot of

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chances were taken

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with that cast too

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um and

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01:07:55,829 --> 01:07:52,079
which i really enjoyed but it

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01:07:58,630 --> 01:07:55,839
it turned into this on-screen chemistry

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where the character development was so

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complete and so immersive right

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01:08:09,109 --> 01:08:05,520
did you guys have any idea

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of the success and the enormity uh that

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that it was going to turn into

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01:08:15,910 --> 01:08:14,079
um well you know i was such a really

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01:08:17,669 --> 01:08:15,920
like uh you know i was a recurring guy

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01:08:20,309 --> 01:08:17,679
so i was i was you know i can't remember

1585
01:08:22,390 --> 01:08:20,319
how many episodes i was on uh but

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01:08:24,070 --> 01:08:22,400
i had no idea what was going on the

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whole damn time you know and it was kind

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of one of those things where like i

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01:08:28,870 --> 01:08:26,960
think like not a lot of people watched

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01:08:31,590 --> 01:08:28,880
it when it was out right and it kind of

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01:08:33,749 --> 01:08:31,600
has found this cult following

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01:08:35,269 --> 01:08:33,759
after the show kind of ended and you

1593
01:08:37,189 --> 01:08:35,279
know like on netflix and this happens to

1594
01:08:39,430 --> 01:08:37,199
a lot of shows nowadays because there's

1595
01:08:41,430 --> 01:08:39,440
so much content out there no one can

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01:08:42,709 --> 01:08:41,440
watch it all as it's happening so you

1597
01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:42,719
know like a show like the good place i

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01:08:45,669 --> 01:08:44,159
think a lot of people found like a year

1599
01:08:48,149 --> 01:08:45,679
or two after it was off the air like oh

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[\h__\h] this show was really oh sorry can i

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01:08:52,149 --> 01:08:48,880
say

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01:08:54,630 --> 01:08:52,159
well you just did i did i did oh boy oh

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01:08:55,910 --> 01:08:54,640
shoot sorry sorry

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01:08:57,990 --> 01:08:55,920
um

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01:08:59,510 --> 01:08:58,000
but yeah no i think it was one of those

1606
01:09:00,950 --> 01:08:59,520
shows like a lot of shows nowadays where

1607
01:09:02,550 --> 01:09:00,960
it's kind of found a little like cult

1608
01:09:03,349 --> 01:09:02,560
underground following after the show

1609
01:09:05,430 --> 01:09:03,359
ended

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01:09:06,390 --> 01:09:05,440
now um uh

1611
01:09:27,669 --> 01:09:06,400
i

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01:09:29,189 --> 01:09:27,679
you don't always get you're not always

1613
01:09:31,189 --> 01:09:29,199
so like you know like

1614
01:09:32,709 --> 01:09:31,199
i i've been lucky enough to do a lot of

1615
01:09:34,470 --> 01:09:32,719
things i feel like are we really good

1616
01:09:35,510 --> 01:09:34,480
projects and then you know some not so

1617
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:35,520
much and you know you got to make a

1618
01:09:39,189 --> 01:09:37,440
living and do get a paycheck but this is

1619
01:09:40,390 --> 01:09:39,199
one of those where i was you know even

1620
01:09:42,470 --> 01:09:40,400
when i was shooting i was like oh this

1621
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:42,480
is a special show even though i'm a very

1622
01:09:47,189 --> 01:09:44,239
minor character in it like i'm really

1623
01:09:48,789 --> 01:09:47,199
proud and happy and super psyched to be

1624
01:09:50,950 --> 01:09:48,799
on something so high quality you know

1625
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:50,960
mike sure you know he you know he was

1626
01:09:54,310 --> 01:09:52,719
the guy behind parks and rec and you

1627
01:09:55,830 --> 01:09:54,320
know the office so i'm like you know

1628
01:09:57,830 --> 01:09:55,840
there's a high likelihood this show is

1629
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:57,840
going to be good i knew that but i think

1630
01:10:01,990 --> 01:09:59,679
this was a real special show and a risky

1631
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:02,000
show for network tv i think oh totally

1632
01:10:05,830 --> 01:10:03,920
risky show and

1633
01:10:07,750 --> 01:10:05,840
that's the thing though i think that was

1634
01:10:10,550 --> 01:10:07,760
the success the cult

1635
01:10:13,110 --> 01:10:10,560
issue with it the cult following this

1636
01:10:15,990 --> 01:10:13,120
thing that has happened since then

1637
01:10:17,510 --> 01:10:16,000
is is well deserved because it's a show

1638
01:10:20,630 --> 01:10:17,520
that took chances

1639
01:10:22,950 --> 01:10:20,640
i mean completely original i mean

1640
01:10:24,790 --> 01:10:22,960
completely yeah ago yeah and you know

1641
01:10:26,470 --> 01:10:24,800
being like a musician yourself it's like

1642
01:10:28,950 --> 01:10:26,480
you you know and like

1643
01:10:31,669 --> 01:10:28,960
art is almost only good when chances are

1644
01:10:33,350 --> 01:10:31,679
taken in my opinion you know like art

1645
01:10:34,790 --> 01:10:33,360
like you know even like you know even

1646
01:10:36,149 --> 01:10:34,800
like the paranormal when you're playing

1647
01:10:37,990 --> 01:10:36,159
it safe and doing what everyone else is

1648
01:10:40,070 --> 01:10:38,000
doing you're spinning in circles but

1649
01:10:41,430 --> 01:10:40,080
when you take a chance on even a new

1650
01:10:43,750 --> 01:10:41,440
thought experiment

1651
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:43,760
or just like a new way to write a script

1652
01:10:48,149 --> 01:10:46,320
i think it may not always work but when

1653
01:10:50,470 --> 01:10:48,159
it works it's gonna work

1654
01:10:53,270 --> 01:10:50,480
in a big way you know like and people

1655
01:10:56,630 --> 01:10:53,280
will remember it'll be important now uh

1656
01:11:00,149 --> 01:10:56,640
in your research in this this deep dive

1657
01:11:03,030 --> 01:11:00,159
that your life has taken into ufology

1658
01:11:05,030 --> 01:11:03,040
um take me through your mindset when you

1659
01:11:07,830 --> 01:11:05,040
think about this enigma

1660
01:11:11,270 --> 01:11:07,840
right what's what's the one case that

1661
01:11:13,990 --> 01:11:11,280
continues to just blow your mind

1662
01:11:15,430 --> 01:11:14,000
oh god that is such a great question

1663
01:11:17,350 --> 01:11:15,440
well

1664
01:11:19,910 --> 01:11:17,360
ah man

1665
01:11:21,669 --> 01:11:19,920
i love the socorro case right um i think

1666
01:11:23,950 --> 01:11:21,679
that's fantastic i have a special

1667
01:11:27,110 --> 01:11:23,960
fondness for the herbert shermer case

1668
01:11:29,030 --> 01:11:27,120
1967 of the police officer who had one

1669
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:29,040
of the first kind of i mean not one of

1670
01:11:31,910 --> 01:11:30,159
the first i shouldn't say that not at

1671
01:11:33,590 --> 01:11:31,920
all that's not true but he had kind of

1672
01:11:34,870 --> 01:11:33,600
one of the more modern contact

1673
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:34,880
experiences

1674
01:11:39,590 --> 01:11:37,280
that is a that happened a half hour from

1675
01:11:41,830 --> 01:11:39,600
where i am right now oh really so as a

1676
01:11:44,709 --> 01:11:41,840
kid that had such a special fondness for

1677
01:11:45,510 --> 01:11:44,719
me where i grew up in omaha nebraska

1678
01:11:47,830 --> 01:11:45,520
and

1679
01:11:49,110 --> 01:11:47,840
just knowing that that happened so close

1680
01:11:49,990 --> 01:11:49,120
to me

1681
01:11:52,709 --> 01:11:50,000
would just

1682
01:11:56,070 --> 01:11:52,719
let me daydream for years you know like

1683
01:11:57,750 --> 01:11:56,080
so that case is just really really um

1684
01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:57,760
you know what's fantastic about that

1685
01:12:03,750 --> 01:11:58,800
case

1686
01:12:06,830 --> 01:12:03,760
is immediately i mean like in real time

1687
01:12:08,790 --> 01:12:06,840
fortunately interviews were done it was

1688
01:12:10,070 --> 01:12:08,800
documented uh

1689
01:12:13,750 --> 01:12:10,080
his car

1690
01:12:15,430 --> 01:12:13,760
uh the entire experience was archived

1691
01:12:17,510 --> 01:12:15,440
for history exactly

1692
01:12:18,790 --> 01:12:17,520
exactly in fact um

1693
01:12:20,870 --> 01:12:18,800
the first actually one of the first

1694
01:12:24,709 --> 01:12:20,880
things i did once you know the coast was

1695
01:12:26,229 --> 01:12:24,719
like quasi-clear from the pandemic was

1696
01:12:28,550 --> 01:12:26,239
in ashland nebraska they were having

1697
01:12:31,910 --> 01:12:28,560
like their ashland days and this year's

1698
01:12:32,870 --> 01:12:31,920
theme was the ufo uh case of herbert

1699
01:12:35,030 --> 01:12:32,880
shermer

1700
01:12:38,310 --> 01:12:35,040
and so i went down there and i actually

1701
01:12:40,229 --> 01:12:38,320
got to meet his two brothers what and i

1702
01:12:42,070 --> 01:12:40,239
had i mean and like they have never come

1703
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:42,080
out or talked about this ever so like

1704
01:12:45,030 --> 01:12:43,600
and there was honestly like nine people

1705
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:45,040
there and i was like oh my god to me

1706
01:12:50,070 --> 01:12:48,560
this was like a huge deal right and so

1707
01:12:51,590 --> 01:12:50,080
no one really cared about him so i went

1708
01:12:53,669 --> 01:12:51,600
up to him after the thing and talked to

1709
01:12:54,630 --> 01:12:53,679
him for like 90 minutes and they were

1710
01:12:55,750 --> 01:12:54,640
like

1711
01:12:57,430 --> 01:12:55,760
one thing that they told me i thought

1712
01:12:59,750 --> 01:12:57,440
was really interesting is that they had

1713
01:13:01,350 --> 01:12:59,760
all had a ufo sighting with their father

1714
01:13:02,950 --> 01:13:01,360
when they're all little kids a pretty

1715
01:13:05,430 --> 01:13:02,960
dramatic one of like you know a classic

1716
01:13:07,510 --> 01:13:05,440
saucer in the early 50s

1717
01:13:10,630 --> 01:13:07,520
and you know herbert sherman was no was

1718
01:13:13,030 --> 01:13:10,640
no quack this guy was a war hero who

1719
01:13:15,189 --> 01:13:13,040
came back became a police officer he was

1720
01:13:17,430 --> 01:13:15,199
revered in the town they all loved him

1721
01:13:18,470 --> 01:13:17,440
and when this when he had this you know

1722
01:13:21,030 --> 01:13:18,480
experience

1723
01:13:22,950 --> 01:13:21,040
he became a heretic they actually blew

1724
01:13:25,110 --> 01:13:22,960
up his car with dynamite they hung

1725
01:13:27,189 --> 01:13:25,120
effigies in town and like kids would

1726
01:13:28,709 --> 01:13:27,199
shoot out with guns he ended up leaving

1727
01:13:31,830 --> 01:13:28,719
the town a year later and changing his

1728
01:13:34,790 --> 01:13:31,840
name like it ruined his life well and

1729
01:13:36,149 --> 01:13:34,800
let me tell you something about him uh

1730
01:13:38,709 --> 01:13:36,159
the effect

1731
01:13:40,470 --> 01:13:38,719
he's the guy

1732
01:13:44,149 --> 01:13:40,480
his image

1733
01:13:46,870 --> 01:13:44,159
that would love to arrest hippies

1734
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:46,880
right yeah he's that cop he's that oh

1735
01:13:50,630 --> 01:13:49,360
you got a marijuana seat 10 years you're

1736
01:13:52,470 --> 01:13:50,640
going to prison

1737
01:13:54,630 --> 01:13:52,480
he's the guy who would have loved to who

1738
01:13:55,830 --> 01:13:54,640
would have arrested me you know

1739
01:13:57,669 --> 01:13:55,840
as a kid

1740
01:13:58,870 --> 01:13:57,679
i was the kid smoking the doobie i mean

1741
01:14:03,030 --> 01:13:58,880
he'd probably like to arrest me now

1742
01:14:05,270 --> 01:14:03,040
actually and and to have a guy like that

1743
01:14:08,470 --> 01:14:05,280
and you could tell in his

1744
01:14:10,709 --> 01:14:08,480
his speech his look his image

1745
01:14:13,030 --> 01:14:10,719
uh that this is the dude that was really

1746
01:14:17,110 --> 01:14:13,040
going to make your life miserable if he

1747
01:14:19,030 --> 01:14:17,120
chose to do it yep this guy is gonna

1748
01:14:22,149 --> 01:14:19,040
talk ufos

1749
01:14:24,550 --> 01:14:22,159
and and you know and impact with his car

1750
01:14:26,550 --> 01:14:24,560
with a flying saucer

1751
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:26,560
yeah wait a minute here

1752
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:29,120
it's a very dramatic case that actually

1753
01:14:33,189 --> 01:14:31,520
like i'm so psyched you know about it

1754
01:14:36,070 --> 01:14:33,199
obviously you would know about it but

1755
01:14:37,350 --> 01:14:36,080
it's not one that's talked about a ton

1756
01:14:38,630 --> 01:14:37,360
right you know i think it was like in

1757
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:38,640
the 80s when you know when i was like

1758
01:14:41,590 --> 01:14:39,679
coming up

1759
01:14:43,990 --> 01:14:41,600
but it's kind of largely i think sort of

1760
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:44,000
a forgotten case that is super important

1761
01:14:47,189 --> 01:14:44,880
because

1762
01:14:49,590 --> 01:14:47,199
you know like like i said like this was

1763
01:14:51,830 --> 01:14:49,600
a guy who did not want this kind of

1764
01:14:53,590 --> 01:14:51,840
attention he never profited off this he

1765
01:14:55,510 --> 01:14:53,600
didn't try to write a book i think he

1766
01:14:57,430 --> 01:14:55,520
gave one like lecture about it in

1767
01:15:00,149 --> 01:14:57,440
florida like a few years later but that

1768
01:15:01,990 --> 01:15:00,159
was it he changed his name

1769
01:15:03,270 --> 01:15:02,000
got a new career and like you know i

1770
01:15:05,270 --> 01:15:03,280
found out what happened to him he moved

1771
01:15:07,590 --> 01:15:05,280
he left nebraska and like moved down

1772
01:15:09,270 --> 01:15:07,600
south and like found a wife and like it

1773
01:15:11,750 --> 01:15:09,280
but it like this brother seemed like

1774
01:15:13,350 --> 01:15:11,760
this ruined his life now

1775
01:15:16,229 --> 01:15:13,360
she never said anything and and what's

1776
01:15:18,870 --> 01:15:16,239
it like there now you're in omaha right

1777
01:15:20,950 --> 01:15:18,880
i am yeah has the mood changed uh with

1778
01:15:23,430 --> 01:15:20,960
the ufo subject

1779
01:15:26,630 --> 01:15:23,440
um well gosh i i mean to be honest i

1780
01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:26,640
feel like the mood has changed um

1781
01:15:31,510 --> 01:15:28,800
you know all over the country and maybe

1782
01:15:33,990 --> 01:15:31,520
even the world you know with you know

1783
01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:34,000
december 17th new york times article i

1784
01:15:37,830 --> 01:15:36,080
think you know like i remember when that

1785
01:15:39,830 --> 01:15:37,840
happened i had so many people from like

1786
01:15:41,830 --> 01:15:39,840
high school college you know people from

1787
01:15:43,910 --> 01:15:41,840
like way back in my life doing going

1788
01:15:44,709 --> 01:15:43,920
dude you were right as a kid and i'm

1789
01:15:46,229 --> 01:15:44,719
like

1790
01:15:47,590 --> 01:15:46,239
i'm not right about anything

1791
01:15:49,590 --> 01:15:47,600
i don't know what this means yet but

1792
01:15:51,030 --> 01:15:49,600
like now all of a sudden people are like

1793
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:51,040
well i guess it's not so crazy to

1794
01:15:55,590 --> 01:15:53,520
believe in ufos you know like

1795
01:15:57,669 --> 01:15:55,600
so i think like absolutely it's done a

1796
01:15:59,510 --> 01:15:57,679
lot for the mainstream but what's funny

1797
01:16:01,830 --> 01:15:59,520
about that too is that it kind of came

1798
01:16:03,669 --> 01:16:01,840
and went i think you know like

1799
01:16:07,430 --> 01:16:03,679
ttsa came along and they were gonna

1800
01:16:11,350 --> 01:16:09,510
i don't know how i mean like i guess i'm

1801
01:16:14,149 --> 01:16:11,360
hoping that things change but nothing

1802
01:16:15,430 --> 01:16:14,159
palpable to me at least

1803
01:16:17,590 --> 01:16:15,440
is is

1804
01:16:18,870 --> 01:16:17,600
yet it has been announced i'm super

1805
01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:18,880
excited about

1806
01:16:23,830 --> 01:16:21,360
well you know when you have uh

1807
01:16:27,030 --> 01:16:23,840
a ufo conference like we just did right

1808
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:27,040
at the aquarius and ufo conferences in

1809
01:16:30,790 --> 01:16:28,320
the past

1810
01:16:34,550 --> 01:16:30,800
uh before december 17th

1811
01:16:35,990 --> 01:16:34,560
uh the hotel staff is probably saying oh

1812
01:16:38,310 --> 01:16:36,000
man

1813
01:16:39,910 --> 01:16:38,320
we've got the crazy ufo people here for

1814
01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:39,920
a week oh

1815
01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:41,360
man here we go

1816
01:16:47,189 --> 01:16:44,159
it's not that kind of party now

1817
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:47,199
the the hotel staff is like welcome and

1818
01:16:52,149 --> 01:16:48,480
by the way

1819
01:16:54,950 --> 01:16:52,159
i got a story for you yeah and uh i'll

1820
01:16:56,070 --> 01:16:54,960
show another picture um steve you got to

1821
01:16:57,910 --> 01:16:56,080
see this

1822
01:16:59,590 --> 01:16:57,920
um a couple of months ago i was there

1823
01:17:03,750 --> 01:16:59,600
for another conference

1824
01:17:04,950 --> 01:17:03,760
and i'm walking through the casino floor

1825
01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:04,960
and i hear

1826
01:17:11,350 --> 01:17:07,600
somebody say jimmy church right so i

1827
01:17:13,430 --> 01:17:11,360
turn around and it is a hotel employee

1828
01:17:15,030 --> 01:17:13,440
wearing her stuff

1829
01:17:18,149 --> 01:17:15,040
with a friend

1830
01:17:20,550 --> 01:17:18,159
and her name is kathleen

1831
01:17:22,229 --> 01:17:20,560
and i said oh okay

1832
01:17:23,910 --> 01:17:22,239
and she goes

1833
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:23,920
i'm your biggest fan i love fade to

1834
01:17:27,110 --> 01:17:25,760
black and i've been waiting for this

1835
01:17:29,189 --> 01:17:27,120
moment and i can't believe you're

1836
01:17:30,950 --> 01:17:29,199
walking through the casino floor

1837
01:17:33,350 --> 01:17:30,960
wait stop stop right it's good to meet

1838
01:17:35,590 --> 01:17:33,360
you what did you just say this is a

1839
01:17:36,870 --> 01:17:35,600
hotel employee right

1840
01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:36,880
and uh

1841
01:17:40,470 --> 01:17:39,120
and and she was wonderful she was great

1842
01:17:43,830 --> 01:17:40,480
well anyway

1843
01:17:45,030 --> 01:17:43,840
uh i'm leaving or i'm at the conference

1844
01:17:46,229 --> 01:17:45,040
uh

1845
01:17:48,950 --> 01:17:46,239
sunday

1846
01:17:51,110 --> 01:17:48,960
and uh and here she comes

1847
01:17:55,669 --> 01:17:51,120
she's like jimmy stop stop stop and i

1848
01:17:56,950 --> 01:17:55,679
turn around and it's kathleen and i am

1849
01:17:59,990 --> 01:17:56,960
here she is

1850
01:18:01,990 --> 01:18:00,000
she is just absolutely wonderful look at

1851
01:18:03,430 --> 01:18:02,000
that oh sh she is very excited to be in

1852
01:18:04,709 --> 01:18:03,440
there

1853
01:18:06,070 --> 01:18:04,719
look at that pic

1854
01:18:07,590 --> 01:18:06,080
and uh

1855
01:18:09,350 --> 01:18:07,600
i said um

1856
01:18:11,510 --> 01:18:09,360
i said uh kathleen can i get you a

1857
01:18:12,790 --> 01:18:11,520
t-shirt oh i got lots of fade to black

1858
01:18:15,189 --> 01:18:12,800
t-shirts

1859
01:18:18,229 --> 01:18:15,199
but that's but that's how it is these

1860
01:18:20,310 --> 01:18:18,239
days isn't it where yeah it's okay it's

1861
01:18:22,630 --> 01:18:20,320
okay to do what we do now

1862
01:18:24,310 --> 01:18:22,640
it is it is i think like you know i

1863
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:24,320
think like you know it is you know if

1864
01:18:28,470 --> 01:18:26,400
the news would if the media would stop

1865
01:18:30,149 --> 01:18:28,480
playing the x-files music after a ufo

1866
01:18:32,310 --> 01:18:30,159
story i would appreciate that but like

1867
01:18:34,870 --> 01:18:32,320
it you know like but it is like you're

1868
01:18:37,350 --> 01:18:34,880
sorry it's more socially acceptable you

1869
01:18:39,750 --> 01:18:37,360
know like it is like you can talk about

1870
01:18:41,430 --> 01:18:39,760
ufos at a cocktail party with people who

1871
01:18:44,229 --> 01:18:41,440
don't care about ufos and you're not

1872
01:18:46,310 --> 01:18:44,239
like oh boy here's you know like here's

1873
01:18:48,310 --> 01:18:46,320
the wacka dude because i i have in my in

1874
01:18:49,830 --> 01:18:48,320
my life you know multiple times i can

1875
01:18:51,030 --> 01:18:49,840
think of it in my head where i was

1876
01:18:52,870 --> 01:18:51,040
people were like

1877
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:52,880
once they found out like i loved this

1878
01:18:56,390 --> 01:18:54,800
stuff and was so into it they they were

1879
01:18:58,470 --> 01:18:56,400
like maybe not as excited to be around

1880
01:19:00,550 --> 01:18:58,480
me you know like there are people out

1881
01:19:02,470 --> 01:19:00,560
there who like are have must find it

1882
01:19:03,910 --> 01:19:02,480
offensive that you would believe or like

1883
01:19:06,070 --> 01:19:03,920
not believe that's not the word i'm

1884
01:19:08,390 --> 01:19:06,080
looking for but like be into something

1885
01:19:11,110 --> 01:19:08,400
sure sure did you see uh dave

1886
01:19:15,350 --> 01:19:11,120
chappelle's latest netflix i have not

1887
01:19:17,990 --> 01:19:15,360
yet no okay well if this he i mean i i

1888
01:19:19,910 --> 01:19:18,000
could not believe what he said

1889
01:19:21,669 --> 01:19:19,920
so he's he's doing his thing right and

1890
01:19:24,310 --> 01:19:21,679
he goes so the pandemic

1891
01:19:27,189 --> 01:19:24,320
and i got exposed so i had a two week

1892
01:19:29,590 --> 01:19:27,199
quarantine and i was stuck in this hotel

1893
01:19:35,750 --> 01:19:29,600
for two weeks and

1894
01:19:42,310 --> 01:19:38,950
ufos are real they're here

1895
01:19:45,750 --> 01:19:42,320
and he continued but for somebody like

1896
01:19:48,229 --> 01:19:45,760
that with his circle of influence to to

1897
01:19:51,110 --> 01:19:48,239
come out of the closet like that and say

1898
01:19:53,189 --> 01:19:51,120
that i think we have arrived

1899
01:19:54,310 --> 01:19:53,199
yeah and maybe we are truly approaching

1900
01:19:56,310 --> 01:19:54,320
that time

1901
01:19:58,709 --> 01:19:56,320
where if people don't take the subject

1902
01:20:01,270 --> 01:19:58,719
or at least like or at least entertain

1903
01:20:02,709 --> 01:20:01,280
it in a somewhat of an intellectual way

1904
01:20:04,790 --> 01:20:02,719
then they're gonna start looking stupid

1905
01:20:07,590 --> 01:20:04,800
right you know because like

1906
01:20:08,390 --> 01:20:07,600
i i feel like you know it's like i have

1907
01:20:09,750 --> 01:20:08,400
felt

1908
01:20:11,590 --> 01:20:09,760
pretty certain even though i've never

1909
01:20:14,870 --> 01:20:11,600
had experience that there is something

1910
01:20:17,510 --> 01:20:14,880
to the ufo phenomenon what it is i have

1911
01:20:20,229 --> 01:20:17,520
no idea and i don't feel like i have any

1912
01:20:22,390 --> 01:20:20,239
better take i have my ideas that i like

1913
01:20:25,030 --> 01:20:22,400
to read about and kind of champion but

1914
01:20:27,110 --> 01:20:25,040
by no means am i certain of anything but

1915
01:20:29,030 --> 01:20:27,120
that's okay right it's like it's it's

1916
01:20:30,629 --> 01:20:29,040
part of science like there's all kinds

1917
01:20:32,470 --> 01:20:30,639
of things around around us that we don't

1918
01:20:33,830 --> 01:20:32,480
understand and that's okay but to be

1919
01:20:35,669 --> 01:20:33,840
curious about them

1920
01:20:37,910 --> 01:20:35,679
and try to progress towards

1921
01:20:39,430 --> 01:20:37,920
understanding them better is great

1922
01:20:40,629 --> 01:20:39,440
that's what like the human experience is

1923
01:20:43,590 --> 01:20:40,639
about so

1924
01:20:45,590 --> 01:20:43,600
i think you know whatever ufos mean for

1925
01:20:47,910 --> 01:20:45,600
me what it's done is made me a smarter

1926
01:20:49,990 --> 01:20:47,920
person i've read more than

1927
01:20:51,750 --> 01:20:50,000
you know i ever thought i would but it's

1928
01:20:53,510 --> 01:20:51,760
led me down philosophical roles i

1929
01:20:55,910 --> 01:20:53,520
started reading about philosophy or

1930
01:20:57,669 --> 01:20:55,920
ancient fairy lore or you know like it

1931
01:21:01,350 --> 01:20:57,679
really does take you to some amazing

1932
01:21:04,310 --> 01:21:01,360
places when you're into ufos i think now

1933
01:21:08,790 --> 01:21:04,320
with um uh it's interesting that you

1934
01:21:11,590 --> 01:21:08,800
mentioned your two uh cases that uh

1935
01:21:13,830 --> 01:21:11,600
uh you think about first both involve

1936
01:21:16,229 --> 01:21:13,840
police

1937
01:21:17,830 --> 01:21:16,239
yeah yeah that's uh it's that that's

1938
01:21:18,870 --> 01:21:17,840
really cool

1939
01:21:21,430 --> 01:21:18,880
but

1940
01:21:24,149 --> 01:21:21,440
you've mentioned jacques valet and over

1941
01:21:26,550 --> 01:21:24,159
the weekend uh i think you even said it

1942
01:21:28,709 --> 01:21:26,560
on stage he said man i've read all of

1943
01:21:30,470 --> 01:21:28,719
his books like 20 times

1944
01:21:32,390 --> 01:21:30,480
i said that in front of him when he was

1945
01:21:35,270 --> 01:21:32,400
in the crowd which was like i felt so

1946
01:21:36,790 --> 01:21:35,280
dumb oh my god get a hold of yourself

1947
01:21:38,870 --> 01:21:36,800
fanboy

1948
01:21:42,709 --> 01:21:38,880
yeah i know i was probably like shaking

1949
01:21:44,870 --> 01:21:42,719
and sweaty too yeah yep yep yep but uh

1950
01:21:49,270 --> 01:21:44,880
if any for those out there that have

1951
01:21:50,310 --> 01:21:49,280
followed uh jacques in his uh viewpoints

1952
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:50,320
on this

1953
01:21:56,390 --> 01:21:54,000
for a very long time he stressed another

1954
01:21:59,669 --> 01:21:56,400
point of view in the phenomenon

1955
01:22:03,830 --> 01:21:59,679
uh not not to say that this was

1956
01:22:05,510 --> 01:22:03,840
the only view on ufos everything and

1957
01:22:08,270 --> 01:22:05,520
he's made that very clear there's

1958
01:22:10,470 --> 01:22:08,280
everything on the table here yep but the

1959
01:22:12,070 --> 01:22:10,480
interdimensionality to it

1960
01:22:14,870 --> 01:22:12,080
um is

1961
01:22:17,350 --> 01:22:14,880
another way to take a hard look and

1962
01:22:19,910 --> 01:22:17,360
science needs to look at it

1963
01:22:21,189 --> 01:22:19,920
and if you've been reading jacques for a

1964
01:22:23,030 --> 01:22:21,199
long time

1965
01:22:26,310 --> 01:22:23,040
and where we are with the phenomenon

1966
01:22:29,189 --> 01:22:26,320
today what do you think is is visiting

1967
01:22:31,830 --> 01:22:29,199
here is it something interdimensional is

1968
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:31,840
it nuts and bolts is it both what do you

1969
01:22:38,550 --> 01:22:35,760
think well man i think you know um

1970
01:22:41,189 --> 01:22:38,560
here's what i kind of think in terms of

1971
01:22:44,149 --> 01:22:41,199
what's flying in the sky i don't know

1972
01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:44,159
but in terms of like the contacty thing

1973
01:22:48,790 --> 01:22:45,679
that is you know obviously widely

1974
01:22:50,950 --> 01:22:48,800
associated with the ufo phenomenon

1975
01:22:52,950 --> 01:22:50,960
what we do know when you read jacques

1976
01:22:55,350 --> 01:22:52,960
work and like john keel's work and so

1977
01:22:57,830 --> 01:22:55,360
many other authors is that this has been

1978
01:23:00,149 --> 01:22:57,840
happening for a very long time right

1979
01:23:01,590 --> 01:23:00,159
but it has not been happening the same

1980
01:23:03,270 --> 01:23:01,600
way you know

1981
01:23:05,510 --> 01:23:03,280
way back in you know the

1982
01:23:07,110 --> 01:23:05,520
before pre-catholicism in ireland when

1983
01:23:10,470 --> 01:23:07,120
you know the celtic you know celtic

1984
01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:10,480
faith was so strong they were the fairy

1985
01:23:14,950 --> 01:23:13,360
faith was like a pretty accepted thing

1986
01:23:18,550 --> 01:23:14,960
and people would have these experiences

1987
01:23:21,270 --> 01:23:18,560
with the fey folk that are exactly what

1988
01:23:23,270 --> 01:23:21,280
ufo contes contactees

1989
01:23:25,669 --> 01:23:23,280
report right and then you know even the

1990
01:23:27,990 --> 01:23:25,679
native americans they it's like what

1991
01:23:29,669 --> 01:23:28,000
jacques stresses is we must look at the

1992
01:23:32,790 --> 01:23:29,679
cultural lens

1993
01:23:35,030 --> 01:23:32,800
you know where you know like

1994
01:23:36,709 --> 01:23:35,040
what era it was they're gonna see it

1995
01:23:39,189 --> 01:23:36,719
differently you know in the 1800s in

1996
01:23:41,189 --> 01:23:39,199
omaha there was like

1997
01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:41,199
hundreds of people who saw a flying

1998
01:23:46,709 --> 01:23:44,560
dirigible in night in 1897 right

1999
01:23:49,110 --> 01:23:46,719
and this was going all over the midwest

2000
01:23:50,870 --> 01:23:49,120
but it was a flying wooden ship it

2001
01:23:53,030 --> 01:23:50,880
wasn't a flying saucer and the people on

2002
01:23:54,709 --> 01:23:53,040
board were like bearded men speaking a

2003
01:23:55,990 --> 01:23:54,719
language like german

2004
01:23:58,790 --> 01:23:56,000
so i mean

2005
01:24:00,629 --> 01:23:58,800
it's the same thing as a ufo thing it

2006
01:24:02,950 --> 01:24:00,639
just is appearing in a different way

2007
01:24:04,070 --> 01:24:02,960
right so what do i think that means i

2008
01:24:06,070 --> 01:24:04,080
think

2009
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:06,080
whatever the phenomenon is

2010
01:24:10,790 --> 01:24:08,159
it is kind of progressing as we're

2011
01:24:12,229 --> 01:24:10,800
progressing you know so like in the 40s

2012
01:24:13,510 --> 01:24:12,239
and the kenneth all there you know the

2013
01:24:15,990 --> 01:24:13,520
nuclear war era when we were thinking

2014
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:16,000
about going to space well it started

2015
01:24:20,229 --> 01:24:18,480
showing up as flying saucers because you

2016
01:24:22,470 --> 01:24:20,239
know as you know like the kenneth arnold

2017
01:24:25,750 --> 01:24:22,480
case he reportedly seeing a delta shaped

2018
01:24:27,590 --> 01:24:25,760
craft it was the newspaper reporter who

2019
01:24:29,510 --> 01:24:27,600
who called it a flying saucer and then

2020
01:24:31,030 --> 01:24:29,520
what happens people start seeing flying

2021
01:24:33,110 --> 01:24:31,040
saucers

2022
01:24:34,229 --> 01:24:33,120
so i sometimes wonder if like carl

2023
01:24:36,310 --> 01:24:34,239
young's theory of the collective

2024
01:24:37,270 --> 01:24:36,320
unconscious

2025
01:24:42,310 --> 01:24:37,280
you know

2026
01:24:44,310 --> 01:24:42,320
that we sort of co-create the phenomenon

2027
01:24:45,590 --> 01:24:44,320
a little bit have you maybe our

2028
01:24:47,590 --> 01:24:45,600
consciousness has something to do with

2029
01:24:50,550 --> 01:24:47,600
it you know have you read young's book

2030
01:24:51,910 --> 01:24:50,560
on ufos i have i love it it's very i've

2031
01:24:53,910 --> 01:24:51,920
had to read it three times to fully

2032
01:24:55,590 --> 01:24:53,920
understand it you know and actually like

2033
01:24:57,110 --> 01:24:55,600
look up what he's talking about if you

2034
01:24:58,149 --> 01:24:57,120
go on the you know the internet there's

2035
01:25:00,149 --> 01:24:58,159
people who will kind of help you

2036
01:25:01,590 --> 01:25:00,159
translate young because he is really

2037
01:25:03,830 --> 01:25:01,600
academic and

2038
01:25:06,629 --> 01:25:03,840
a bit hard to read sometimes but i have

2039
01:25:08,229 --> 01:25:06,639
really taken the time to digest it as

2040
01:25:11,030 --> 01:25:08,239
much as i possibly have and that is kind

2041
01:25:12,790 --> 01:25:11,040
of what he talks about he says he thinks

2042
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:12,800
the collective unconsciousness is

2043
01:25:16,229 --> 01:25:14,800
creating these mandela's a

2044
01:25:17,910 --> 01:25:16,239
ufo yes

2045
01:25:20,950 --> 01:25:17,920
but that with our collective

2046
01:25:22,310 --> 01:25:20,960
unconsciousness we can make it a

2047
01:25:23,669 --> 01:25:22,320
physical

2048
01:25:26,149 --> 01:25:23,679
object

2049
01:25:28,470 --> 01:25:26,159
that it starts a material and we can

2050
01:25:31,030 --> 01:25:28,480
make it material that is pretty

2051
01:25:33,270 --> 01:25:31,040
interesting to me yeah there's uh i have

2052
01:25:35,030 --> 01:25:33,280
the book too and i've read it uh a

2053
01:25:37,590 --> 01:25:35,040
couple of times and you're right about

2054
01:25:41,030 --> 01:25:37,600
that it's a multiple read book and it's

2055
01:25:44,470 --> 01:25:41,040
it's way above my head but there's uh

2056
01:25:47,270 --> 01:25:44,480
one specific page i read the page

2057
01:25:50,310 --> 01:25:47,280
here on the show and i'm i'm not going

2058
01:25:51,669 --> 01:25:50,320
to destroy his work by even making any

2059
01:25:53,510 --> 01:25:51,679
attempt at

2060
01:25:56,870 --> 01:25:53,520
quoting from it now it's not in front of

2061
01:26:00,870 --> 01:25:56,880
me but that one single page uh that i

2062
01:26:03,030 --> 01:26:00,880
did understand and digest said just that

2063
01:26:04,950 --> 01:26:03,040
and and and reading through and i

2064
01:26:06,830 --> 01:26:04,960
remember uh

2065
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:06,840
stepping back and

2066
01:26:13,189 --> 01:26:10,159
thinking he he might be right here

2067
01:26:15,669 --> 01:26:13,199
yeah and and and probably not even for

2068
01:26:18,470 --> 01:26:15,679
the reasons that he knew about because

2069
01:26:20,790 --> 01:26:18,480
science has advanced so much uh since

2070
01:26:22,310 --> 01:26:20,800
then but i think there's a lot to do

2071
01:26:24,070 --> 01:26:22,320
with entanglement collective

2072
01:26:26,390 --> 01:26:24,080
consciousness and the power of the

2073
01:26:28,470 --> 01:26:26,400
electric universe and and the way that

2074
01:26:30,550 --> 01:26:28,480
we're all interconnected and whatever

2075
01:26:33,189 --> 01:26:30,560
this phenomenon may be

2076
01:26:33,990 --> 01:26:33,199
uh it could be um

2077
01:26:35,030 --> 01:26:34,000
uh

2078
01:26:37,430 --> 01:26:35,040
real

2079
01:26:40,470 --> 01:26:37,440
yeah but the contact

2080
01:26:42,950 --> 01:26:40,480
and the visualization comes from

2081
01:26:45,590 --> 01:26:42,960
an effort of the conscious mind

2082
01:26:47,910 --> 01:26:45,600
yes yes and and like like you're saying

2083
01:26:49,910 --> 01:26:47,920
jimmy i think it when you know and i'm

2084
01:26:52,390 --> 01:26:49,920
not disparaging this is just my point of

2085
01:26:55,510 --> 01:26:52,400
view i am not an expert on anything as

2086
01:26:58,229 --> 01:26:55,520
john keele would always say um

2087
01:27:00,790 --> 01:26:58,239
i i just think if you're only

2088
01:27:02,470 --> 01:27:00,800
looking at one avenue with this subject

2089
01:27:05,510 --> 01:27:02,480
or any subject in the paranormal even

2090
01:27:08,310 --> 01:27:05,520
even bigfoot you know like i love

2091
01:27:10,470 --> 01:27:08,320
bigfoot but i'm more of the opinion now

2092
01:27:12,229 --> 01:27:10,480
that it's a paranormal thing you know

2093
01:27:13,910 --> 01:27:12,239
and like i don't have evidence of that

2094
01:27:15,510 --> 01:27:13,920
that's just where what maybe what's

2095
01:27:17,510 --> 01:27:15,520
excites me right now

2096
01:27:19,669 --> 01:27:17,520
but i'm willing to look at all the all

2097
01:27:21,110 --> 01:27:19,679
the ideas of it you have to be as a

2098
01:27:24,070 --> 01:27:21,120
researcher i feel

2099
01:27:26,310 --> 01:27:24,080
to be open to that there may be there is

2100
01:27:27,990 --> 01:27:26,320
there is a multitude of ways and

2101
01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:28,000
theories to look at the ufo you know

2102
01:27:31,510 --> 01:27:28,960
problem

2103
01:27:34,149 --> 01:27:31,520
it has to be

2104
01:27:35,830 --> 01:27:34,159
now this is where uh i'm contradicting

2105
01:27:38,950 --> 01:27:35,840
what you and i said earlier right

2106
01:27:40,229 --> 01:27:38,960
anybody that says it has to be run

2107
01:27:42,229 --> 01:27:40,239
right but

2108
01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:42,239
it has to be

2109
01:27:48,070 --> 01:27:46,480
a very simple deduction which is there

2110
01:27:51,910 --> 01:27:48,080
must be

2111
01:27:53,830 --> 01:27:51,920
an infinite amount of civilizations

2112
01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:53,840
visiting us

2113
01:27:59,510 --> 01:27:57,360
of every shape size and that's why we

2114
01:28:01,669 --> 01:27:59,520
don't see duplications of craft and

2115
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:01,679
duplications of beings and and

2116
01:28:07,189 --> 01:28:03,360
everything else because they're coming

2117
01:28:10,070 --> 01:28:07,199
from uh not only uh all sides of the

2118
01:28:12,629 --> 01:28:10,080
milky way but the universe too as well

2119
01:28:16,149 --> 01:28:12,639
and why would we expect to see only one

2120
01:28:18,470 --> 01:28:16,159
alien race or one type of craft yeah

2121
01:28:20,470 --> 01:28:18,480
i mean exactly you know and like

2122
01:28:22,870 --> 01:28:20,480
i mean like one idea to even get like

2123
01:28:24,149 --> 01:28:22,880
really heady on top of that i believe

2124
01:28:25,910 --> 01:28:24,159
it was in his kind when he was doing

2125
01:28:27,270 --> 01:28:25,920
kind of the press rounds for trinity it

2126
01:28:29,189 --> 01:28:27,280
might have even been on your show i

2127
01:28:30,629 --> 01:28:29,199
heard him say this to be honest uh he

2128
01:28:32,229 --> 01:28:30,639
was talking about like you know he was

2129
01:28:34,470 --> 01:28:32,239
kind of saying like oh well you know

2130
01:28:36,310 --> 01:28:34,480
jacques valet believes we have crack

2131
01:28:38,229 --> 01:28:36,320
crash or retrieval you know we that we

2132
01:28:39,430 --> 01:28:38,239
have yeah that was on the show yes it

2133
01:28:41,350 --> 01:28:39,440
was yeah

2134
01:28:43,270 --> 01:28:41,360
yeah and he does he is a believer in

2135
01:28:45,510 --> 01:28:43,280
that and boy that guy is connected so i

2136
01:28:48,070 --> 01:28:45,520
think pay attention when he says that

2137
01:28:50,709 --> 01:28:48,080
but he doesn't necessarily

2138
01:28:51,590 --> 01:28:50,719
think that it's like a crashed

2139
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:51,600
you know

2140
01:28:55,350 --> 01:28:53,040
he doesn't think it's almost like a

2141
01:28:57,669 --> 01:28:55,360
literal representation of a crashed ufo

2142
01:29:00,310 --> 01:28:57,679
he thinks well it could be whatever an

2143
01:29:01,110 --> 01:29:00,320
intelligence or a technology that can

2144
01:29:04,390 --> 01:29:01,120
take

2145
01:29:05,910 --> 01:29:04,400
materials on earth and create a craft

2146
01:29:08,550 --> 01:29:05,920
and maybe that's why when they test

2147
01:29:09,350 --> 01:29:08,560
these materials a lot of the elements

2148
01:29:12,310 --> 01:29:09,360
are

2149
01:29:14,149 --> 01:29:12,320
earth-based elements 3d printing yeah i

2150
01:29:16,390 --> 01:29:14,159
mean honestly think about we're

2151
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:16,400
exactly jimmy we are already there with

2152
01:29:20,229 --> 01:29:18,000
3d printing why couldn't they do

2153
01:29:24,229 --> 01:29:20,239
something like that instantaneously on

2154
01:29:27,189 --> 01:29:24,239
demand you know in a nanosecond they are

2155
01:29:29,590 --> 01:29:27,199
i'm quoting i'm quoting marissa tome my

2156
01:29:31,510 --> 01:29:29,600
cousin benny

2157
01:29:33,189 --> 01:29:31,520
they

2158
01:29:34,790 --> 01:29:33,199
great great movie that still holds up

2159
01:29:36,790 --> 01:29:34,800
too yeah exactly

2160
01:29:38,390 --> 01:29:36,800
well done let's take our break right

2161
01:29:39,990 --> 01:29:38,400
here our guest tonight the one and only

2162
01:29:42,229 --> 01:29:40,000
steve bird

2163
01:29:44,070 --> 01:29:42,239
it's gonna be a continuing great

2164
01:29:46,870 --> 01:29:44,080
conversation tonight stay right there

2165
01:29:48,950 --> 01:29:46,880
this is fade to black bespoke radio for

2166
01:29:51,750 --> 01:29:48,960
the masses you can follow me on twitter

2167
01:29:54,790 --> 01:29:51,760
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2168
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2169
01:29:57,440 --> 01:29:56,639
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2170
01:30:04,950 --> 01:29:57,450
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2171
01:30:08,629 --> 01:30:07,110
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2172
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2174
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2197
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2198
01:31:39,910 --> 01:31:38,000
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2199
01:31:43,030 --> 01:31:39,920
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2200
01:31:45,189 --> 01:31:43,040
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2201
01:31:47,990 --> 01:31:45,199
supply chain could be disastrous and

2202
01:31:49,990 --> 01:31:48,000
they usually occur with little warning

2203
01:31:52,950 --> 01:31:50,000
that's why the smartest thing you can do

2204
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2258
01:34:20,790 --> 01:34:17,920
jimmy church on the game changing

2259
01:34:26,149 --> 01:34:23,270
oh hi i'm rhys evans you're listening to

2260
01:34:29,030 --> 01:34:26,159
jimmy church this is revolution the

2261
01:34:32,229 --> 01:34:29,040
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01:34:36,950 --> 01:34:32,239
revolution is on radio

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01:34:36,960 --> 01:35:04,870
[Music]

2264
01:35:16,229 --> 01:35:06,070
so

2265
01:35:19,750 --> 01:35:17,910
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

2266
01:35:22,070 --> 01:35:19,760
jimmy church

2267
01:35:24,709 --> 01:35:22,080
and in the words of the great

2268
01:35:26,629 --> 01:35:24,719
bobby bittman

2269
01:35:28,629 --> 01:35:26,639
a good radio host

2270
01:35:33,270 --> 01:35:28,639
host

2271
01:35:36,310 --> 01:35:33,280
does more

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01:35:37,350 --> 01:35:36,320
our guest tonight steve burke steve

2273
01:35:40,229 --> 01:35:37,360
um

2274
01:35:42,070 --> 01:35:40,239
when when uh uh i was kind of messing

2275
01:35:44,070 --> 01:35:42,080
around a little bit thinking about the

2276
01:35:46,790 --> 01:35:44,080
show this week with you

2277
01:35:47,830 --> 01:35:46,800
and i decided to call the show

2278
01:35:51,430 --> 01:35:47,840
um

2279
01:35:54,950 --> 01:35:51,440
actor post classified ad right yes actor

2280
01:35:57,430 --> 01:35:54,960
seeks ufo yes um

2281
01:35:58,470 --> 01:35:57,440
we had a pretty good time on sunday

2282
01:36:00,550 --> 01:35:58,480
night

2283
01:36:01,590 --> 01:36:00,560
but there is what on earth do you mean

2284
01:36:03,830 --> 01:36:01,600
yeah

2285
01:36:05,669 --> 01:36:03,840
but there is oh i'm not talking about

2286
01:36:07,669 --> 01:36:05,679
the bar you're thinking oh that was

2287
01:36:09,350 --> 01:36:07,679
saturday night sorry yeah yeah you're

2288
01:36:11,750 --> 01:36:09,360
talking about the bar

2289
01:36:13,510 --> 01:36:11,760
yeah and that was fun too

2290
01:36:16,310 --> 01:36:13,520
oh man

2291
01:36:18,790 --> 01:36:16,320
oh mama can can i just tell it so so the

2292
01:36:20,790 --> 01:36:18,800
waiter comes up his name's andrew and i

2293
01:36:22,709 --> 01:36:20,800
had a great time with andrew a few

2294
01:36:25,030 --> 01:36:22,719
months ago and and he hung out with us

2295
01:36:27,669 --> 01:36:25,040
for three nights and took care of andrew

2296
01:36:28,629 --> 01:36:27,679
and and he's a great dude so he pops up

2297
01:36:31,030 --> 01:36:28,639
oh

2298
01:36:32,709 --> 01:36:31,040
all right let's go he goes i'm letting

2299
01:36:34,790 --> 01:36:32,719
everybody know we're closing the bar

2300
01:36:36,950 --> 01:36:34,800
down at ten o'clock and that was at nine

2301
01:36:39,669 --> 01:36:36,960
o'clock

2302
01:36:42,870 --> 01:36:39,679
they closed the bar at 1 30 in the

2303
01:36:46,550 --> 01:36:42,880
morning they kept that baby up and uh

2304
01:36:48,390 --> 01:36:46,560
damn them damn oh man

2305
01:36:50,470 --> 01:36:48,400
knowing that i had to be up at eight in

2306
01:36:53,830 --> 01:36:50,480
the morning right and uh what a great

2307
01:36:55,830 --> 01:36:53,840
time anyway um

2308
01:36:58,149 --> 01:36:55,840
what are you going to do how do you

2309
01:37:01,270 --> 01:36:58,159
think you are going to feel

2310
01:37:02,470 --> 01:37:01,280
when that moment happens when you look

2311
01:37:04,830 --> 01:37:02,480
up

2312
01:37:06,070 --> 01:37:04,840
and the paradigm shift is in the

2313
01:37:08,149 --> 01:37:06,080
sky oh

2314
01:37:10,149 --> 01:37:08,159
boy first off i'll probably have to

2315
01:37:12,550 --> 01:37:10,159
punch myself in the face just to make

2316
01:37:15,030 --> 01:37:12,560
sure i'm like on terra firma and my my

2317
01:37:16,310 --> 01:37:15,040
head's screwed on straight truly um i

2318
01:37:17,990 --> 01:37:16,320
mean

2319
01:37:19,430 --> 01:37:18,000
one thing i i guarantee i won't do is

2320
01:37:22,310 --> 01:37:19,440
pull up my cell phone and start taking a

2321
01:37:25,669 --> 01:37:22,320
video i think i'll be so in the moment

2322
01:37:27,669 --> 01:37:25,679
and so wrapped up in what's happening

2323
01:37:28,950 --> 01:37:27,679
i i would forget all that was around me

2324
01:37:31,030 --> 01:37:28,960
and the whole world would melt away and

2325
01:37:32,870 --> 01:37:31,040
i would be one with the ufo

2326
01:37:34,070 --> 01:37:32,880
yeah yeah and like

2327
01:37:35,910 --> 01:37:34,080
you hear about that all the time with

2328
01:37:38,229 --> 01:37:35,920
people who see like you know miraculous

2329
01:37:39,750 --> 01:37:38,239
paranormal things ufos where do i i

2330
01:37:41,830 --> 01:37:39,760
didn't even think about pulling out my

2331
01:37:43,750 --> 01:37:41,840
camera you know and i and people would

2332
01:37:46,229 --> 01:37:43,760
say oh that's you know that's bs i don't

2333
01:37:49,270 --> 01:37:46,239
think that's bs i mean you're being

2334
01:37:52,629 --> 01:37:49,280
astonished today right right right right

2335
01:37:54,790 --> 01:37:52,639
i i photographed one thing once by

2336
01:37:57,189 --> 01:37:54,800
accident in 1995.

2337
01:37:59,750 --> 01:37:57,199
i'm in 2021 i haven't photographed

2338
01:38:00,709 --> 01:37:59,760
anything since and i've seen hundreds

2339
01:38:03,030 --> 01:38:00,719
yeah

2340
01:38:04,229 --> 01:38:03,040
you've had a lot yes i have i know i

2341
01:38:05,350 --> 01:38:04,239
truly have

2342
01:38:07,990 --> 01:38:05,360
uh

2343
01:38:11,590 --> 01:38:08,000
some stand out more than others

2344
01:38:13,430 --> 01:38:11,600
thankfully um every sighting that i've

2345
01:38:14,950 --> 01:38:13,440
had except for one which happened a

2346
01:38:17,669 --> 01:38:14,960
couple of months ago

2347
01:38:20,070 --> 01:38:17,679
i've always had people around me

2348
01:38:22,709 --> 01:38:20,080
and so we are able to enjoy the moment

2349
01:38:26,310 --> 01:38:22,719
with each other and then we can support

2350
01:38:28,470 --> 01:38:26,320
each other's bs in the future right yeah

2351
01:38:30,310 --> 01:38:28,480
yeah and in talking about this because

2352
01:38:31,050 --> 01:38:30,320
that's always would you get a picture

2353
01:38:32,470 --> 01:38:31,060
well no

2354
01:38:35,750 --> 01:38:32,480
[Laughter]

2355
01:38:37,669 --> 01:38:35,760
and when i ask somebody uh

2356
01:38:40,470 --> 01:38:37,679
on the show which i've done

2357
01:38:43,109 --> 01:38:40,480
i've done it a thousand times for sure

2358
01:38:45,669 --> 01:38:43,119
uh without exaggeration did you take a

2359
01:38:47,590 --> 01:38:45,679
picture no i didn't i don't press

2360
01:38:49,109 --> 01:38:47,600
anybody on that because

2361
01:38:51,990 --> 01:38:49,119
neither have i

2362
01:38:54,310 --> 01:38:52,000
yeah it's you know like i mean i i think

2363
01:38:56,070 --> 01:38:54,320
there's something really personal about

2364
01:38:58,390 --> 01:38:56,080
the ufo experience or the you know

2365
01:39:01,270 --> 01:38:58,400
experience with a phenomenon or the

2366
01:39:04,149 --> 01:39:01,280
phenomenon you know it's like this is a

2367
01:39:07,430 --> 01:39:04,159
personal thing you know in in like

2368
01:39:09,510 --> 01:39:07,440
it's to be enjoyed and savored and like

2369
01:39:12,070 --> 01:39:09,520
take every like

2370
01:39:14,229 --> 01:39:12,080
all five senses need to be turned on and

2371
01:39:15,669 --> 01:39:14,239
you know absorb that data because i

2372
01:39:17,590 --> 01:39:15,679
don't know what a picture is really

2373
01:39:19,030 --> 01:39:17,600
going to even say anymore yeah you know

2374
01:39:21,590 --> 01:39:19,040
like with you know

2375
01:39:24,550 --> 01:39:21,600
everything so yeah you got a point there

2376
01:39:27,270 --> 01:39:24,560
um uh the last the sighting that i had

2377
01:39:30,790 --> 01:39:27,280
by myself a couple of months ago and i'm

2378
01:39:33,109 --> 01:39:30,800
not kidding it was awesome right a ring

2379
01:39:35,270 --> 01:39:33,119
of lights that lit up around this this

2380
01:39:37,510 --> 01:39:35,280
song shaped craft well anyway which

2381
01:39:41,730 --> 01:39:37,520
happened but i d you know what my

2382
01:39:43,270 --> 01:39:41,740
initial reaction was oh come on

2383
01:39:44,629 --> 01:39:43,280
[Laughter]

2384
01:39:47,030 --> 01:39:44,639
you know

2385
01:39:48,629 --> 01:39:47,040
really you're gonna do this i'm alone

2386
01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:48,639
you're gonna do this now and then it

2387
01:39:53,750 --> 01:39:50,320
happened again

2388
01:39:56,790 --> 01:39:53,760
and i did everything i could i when i

2389
01:39:59,910 --> 01:39:56,800
did get out my phone i'm ready now

2390
01:40:03,590 --> 01:39:59,920
to videotape or do something it didn't

2391
01:40:05,669 --> 01:40:03,600
appear again so but driving away in in

2392
01:40:07,669 --> 01:40:05,679
my jeep after the sighting this is at

2393
01:40:09,990 --> 01:40:07,679
edwards air force base and i'm driving

2394
01:40:13,270 --> 01:40:10,000
away in the car i swear steve and all

2395
01:40:14,950 --> 01:40:13,280
that is holy i was debunking it

2396
01:40:16,950 --> 01:40:14,960
in my own mind

2397
01:40:19,350 --> 01:40:16,960
i'm trying to

2398
01:40:21,669 --> 01:40:19,360
because the other extreme right that was

2399
01:40:23,830 --> 01:40:21,679
a flying saucer above air you know

2400
01:40:25,990 --> 01:40:23,840
edwards air force base

2401
01:40:28,790 --> 01:40:26,000
that

2402
01:40:31,189 --> 01:40:28,800
makes you go nuts makes you go crazy you

2403
01:40:33,830 --> 01:40:31,199
you think you know and so i'm just

2404
01:40:36,629 --> 01:40:33,840
trying to i think it's my own mind

2405
01:40:38,310 --> 01:40:36,639
trying to protect my sanity trying to

2406
01:40:41,030 --> 01:40:38,320
keep me in the zone i just did

2407
01:40:43,109 --> 01:40:41,040
everything i could to to debunk it

2408
01:40:45,030 --> 01:40:43,119
well you know our brain and this is just

2409
01:40:46,550 --> 01:40:45,040
you know the facts our brain and like

2410
01:40:48,149 --> 01:40:46,560
how we you know

2411
01:40:51,030 --> 01:40:48,159
receive information through our eyes and

2412
01:40:53,270 --> 01:40:51,040
ears and our senses

2413
01:40:55,270 --> 01:40:53,280
our synapses and neurons want us to make

2414
01:40:56,390 --> 01:40:55,280
sense of everything right

2415
01:40:57,669 --> 01:40:56,400
so

2416
01:41:00,070 --> 01:40:57,679
of course you're going to try to make

2417
01:41:01,430 --> 01:41:00,080
sense of something like ufo and what and

2418
01:41:03,510 --> 01:41:01,440
how do you

2419
01:41:05,030 --> 01:41:03,520
you know like i guess that's why like

2420
01:41:06,070 --> 01:41:05,040
that you know like it's you know easy to

2421
01:41:07,430 --> 01:41:06,080
say like well they're aliens from their

2422
01:41:09,669 --> 01:41:07,440
planet that's kind of an easy thing to

2423
01:41:11,270 --> 01:41:09,679
understand but what if it's more than

2424
01:41:13,669 --> 01:41:11,280
that if it's more than that what does

2425
01:41:16,070 --> 01:41:13,679
that mean so i mean like you know it is

2426
01:41:17,669 --> 01:41:16,080
i can see how like i feel like anyone

2427
01:41:20,470 --> 01:41:17,679
who's seen it like seen a ufo like you

2428
01:41:21,990 --> 01:41:20,480
have it has to change you

2429
01:41:24,390 --> 01:41:22,000
you know i mean even like at a

2430
01:41:27,590 --> 01:41:24,400
biological level i mean like it must you

2431
01:41:29,510 --> 01:41:27,600
know like it has to be so profound

2432
01:41:31,109 --> 01:41:29,520
that i mean i just can't even imagine

2433
01:41:33,350 --> 01:41:31,119
like even though i've been imagining it

2434
01:41:35,189 --> 01:41:33,360
my whole life still i have a feeling if

2435
01:41:39,030 --> 01:41:35,199
i saw one i would freak out and maybe

2436
01:41:41,430 --> 01:41:39,040
faint yeah yeah um and there's another

2437
01:41:45,030 --> 01:41:41,440
point to all of this i know i know how

2438
01:41:47,590 --> 01:41:45,040
much it affected me the the first real

2439
01:41:48,950 --> 01:41:47,600
because i had sightings before that

2440
01:41:51,109 --> 01:41:48,960
and

2441
01:41:53,189 --> 01:41:51,119
it was a different how do i it was a

2442
01:41:54,070 --> 01:41:53,199
different mindset

2443
01:41:56,149 --> 01:41:54,080
but

2444
01:41:58,310 --> 01:41:56,159
now i'm you know doing what i'm doing

2445
01:42:01,750 --> 01:41:58,320
now and i have that with a bunch of

2446
01:42:04,629 --> 01:42:01,760
people around me and that that

2447
01:42:06,390 --> 01:42:04,639
when you see a planet move in the sky

2448
01:42:09,350 --> 01:42:06,400
because you think it's a planet or a

2449
01:42:11,750 --> 01:42:09,360
star or whatever and it moves and stops

2450
01:42:15,350 --> 01:42:11,760
and and you're looking at this

2451
01:42:17,510 --> 01:42:15,360
then you start to question what is

2452
01:42:19,990 --> 01:42:17,520
actually really going on and that

2453
01:42:23,669 --> 01:42:20,000
happened to me but this is

2454
01:42:25,590 --> 01:42:23,679
uh uh from your perspective um outside

2455
01:42:28,470 --> 01:42:25,600
of the ufo community well now you're

2456
01:42:30,550 --> 01:42:28,480
inside but let's say before this weekend

2457
01:42:32,550 --> 01:42:30,560
right right um

2458
01:42:34,550 --> 01:42:32,560
how is the rest of the world going to

2459
01:42:36,310 --> 01:42:34,560
deal with this phenomenon

2460
01:42:38,470 --> 01:42:36,320
because they're being forced to deal

2461
01:42:40,709 --> 01:42:38,480
with it now but it's

2462
01:42:42,870 --> 01:42:40,719
about to go to the next step

2463
01:42:44,229 --> 01:42:42,880
yeah like like okay yeah let's like

2464
01:42:47,109 --> 01:42:44,239
let's have a thought experiment like

2465
01:42:50,229 --> 01:42:47,119
let's say it escalates to where

2466
01:42:52,070 --> 01:42:50,239
beyond disclosure confirmation right

2467
01:42:54,070 --> 01:42:52,080
right right because that's the word to

2468
01:42:55,669 --> 01:42:54,080
me that i'm looking for i i don't think

2469
01:42:57,270 --> 01:42:55,679
disclosure is ever going to really

2470
01:42:59,109 --> 01:42:57,280
satisfy me because i don't think we're

2471
01:43:01,030 --> 01:42:59,119
ever going to get the answers that we

2472
01:43:03,270 --> 01:43:01,040
are we all really want right

2473
01:43:04,950 --> 01:43:03,280
but i think let's say we have the

2474
01:43:06,870 --> 01:43:04,960
confirmation moment

2475
01:43:07,750 --> 01:43:06,880
like worldwide

2476
01:43:27,350 --> 01:43:07,760
i

2477
01:43:28,790 --> 01:43:27,360
or

2478
01:43:30,310 --> 01:43:28,800
not and it may just be like one of those

2479
01:43:31,910 --> 01:43:30,320
things like wow okay they're here

2480
01:43:33,750 --> 01:43:31,920
anyways uh you know monday night

2481
01:43:36,629 --> 01:43:33,760
football you know chiefs versus the

2482
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:36,639
raiders well and there's there's a third

2483
01:43:39,990 --> 01:43:38,800
scenario

2484
01:43:43,350 --> 01:43:40,000
it could be

2485
01:43:46,390 --> 01:43:43,360
an economic and philosophical

2486
01:43:49,990 --> 01:43:46,400
expansion and explosion

2487
01:43:52,550 --> 01:43:50,000
in in all facets of society i hope

2488
01:43:53,990 --> 01:43:52,560
that's what it is i like your scenario

2489
01:43:55,350 --> 01:43:54,000
because i think

2490
01:43:56,629 --> 01:43:55,360
you know you read the paper and it

2491
01:43:58,629 --> 01:43:56,639
doesn't take a genius to figure out

2492
01:44:01,910 --> 01:43:58,639
there there are some major problems we

2493
01:44:03,430 --> 01:44:01,920
are facing as a society as a planet as a

2494
01:44:05,270 --> 01:44:03,440
as a species right

2495
01:44:07,910 --> 01:44:05,280
and i think

2496
01:44:09,750 --> 01:44:07,920
boy gosh now would be a great time to

2497
01:44:11,430 --> 01:44:09,760
have a new way to look at the world a

2498
01:44:12,950 --> 01:44:11,440
new way you know like

2499
01:44:15,830 --> 01:44:12,960
maybe it would help us treat each other

2500
01:44:17,669 --> 01:44:15,840
better you know like you know i i i hope

2501
01:44:19,030 --> 01:44:17,679
so like a philosophical change is

2502
01:44:21,350 --> 01:44:19,040
something we could use i would be very

2503
01:44:23,910 --> 01:44:21,360
excited for that well

2504
01:44:27,669 --> 01:44:23,920
it would give us a goal

2505
01:44:30,149 --> 01:44:27,679
yes right now our goal is to cross

2506
01:44:31,109 --> 01:44:30,159
somebody's imaginary border and go to

2507
01:44:32,950 --> 01:44:31,119
war

2508
01:44:35,669 --> 01:44:32,960
right yeah now

2509
01:44:39,510 --> 01:44:35,679
if that was taken off of the table and

2510
01:44:42,550 --> 01:44:39,520
the goal is to make friends with the

2511
01:44:45,990 --> 01:44:42,560
rest of the universe and visit them

2512
01:44:48,950 --> 01:44:46,000
then we are unified as earthlings

2513
01:44:50,870 --> 01:44:48,960
and we're no longer divided as cultures

2514
01:44:52,790 --> 01:44:50,880
wouldn't that be sweet wouldn't that i

2515
01:44:55,270 --> 01:44:52,800
mean and that would be that would to me

2516
01:44:56,709 --> 01:44:55,280
that would be the most beautiful outcome

2517
01:44:59,030 --> 01:44:56,719
ever

2518
01:45:01,669 --> 01:44:59,040
you know sadly i i do have my

2519
01:45:03,669 --> 01:45:01,679
hesitations and doubts that

2520
01:45:06,070 --> 01:45:03,679
just you know by looking at you know

2521
01:45:08,629 --> 01:45:06,080
human history and you know societal

2522
01:45:11,750 --> 01:45:08,639
history over the roman empire stuff

2523
01:45:13,750 --> 01:45:11,760
greed seems to always trump everything

2524
01:45:15,109 --> 01:45:13,760
and so i wonder if that you know the

2525
01:45:16,950 --> 01:45:15,119
greedy people who already you know

2526
01:45:19,510 --> 01:45:16,960
control half the world

2527
01:45:21,270 --> 01:45:19,520
you know financially like you know 89

2528
01:45:23,430 --> 01:45:21,280
of stocks are owned by 10 of the people

2529
01:45:25,430 --> 01:45:23,440
in the country that's crazy to me would

2530
01:45:26,709 --> 01:45:25,440
it would that even be accelerated were

2531
01:45:28,629 --> 01:45:26,719
they like nope now we have to take it

2532
01:45:30,149 --> 01:45:28,639
all good luck everyone else you know now

2533
01:45:32,629 --> 01:45:30,159
other aliens we have to look out for our

2534
01:45:34,470 --> 01:45:32,639
own hopefully not but i am a little bit

2535
01:45:36,310 --> 01:45:34,480
cynical when it comes to the human kind

2536
01:45:37,830 --> 01:45:36,320
right now because

2537
01:45:39,990 --> 01:45:37,840
there's a lot of

2538
01:45:43,189 --> 01:45:40,000
bad actors out there

2539
01:45:45,270 --> 01:45:43,199
yeah and and i'm hopeful

2540
01:45:46,870 --> 01:45:45,280
uh that

2541
01:45:48,470 --> 01:45:46,880
a way to

2542
01:45:49,910 --> 01:45:48,480
i'm just gonna put it out there i've

2543
01:45:52,390 --> 01:45:49,920
said this before

2544
01:45:55,990 --> 01:45:52,400
but i'm more cemented in this belief

2545
01:45:58,709 --> 01:45:56,000
system than ever which is this

2546
01:46:01,350 --> 01:45:58,719
maybe we just need to

2547
01:46:04,070 --> 01:46:01,360
get all of our resources together

2548
01:46:06,550 --> 01:46:04,080
manpower brain power woman power child

2549
01:46:09,590 --> 01:46:06,560
power child labor

2550
01:46:11,270 --> 01:46:09,600
and and get everybody building

2551
01:46:12,790 --> 01:46:11,280
uh

2552
01:46:13,669 --> 01:46:12,800
a ship

2553
01:46:14,550 --> 01:46:13,679
and

2554
01:46:16,470 --> 01:46:14,560
uh

2555
01:46:18,550 --> 01:46:16,480
and and make plans

2556
01:46:21,910 --> 01:46:18,560
right make plans to to blow this

2557
01:46:24,830 --> 01:46:21,920
popsicle stand in in some degree and to

2558
01:46:27,430 --> 01:46:24,840
unify the planet and what a better

2559
01:46:29,990 --> 01:46:27,440
resource uh than our children because

2560
01:46:31,590 --> 01:46:30,000
their little fingers uh can put together

2561
01:46:33,350 --> 01:46:31,600
all those tiny intricate parts that

2562
01:46:36,070 --> 01:46:33,360
we'll need on these starships and it's

2563
01:46:38,709 --> 01:46:36,080
free labor it's free labor right yeah

2564
01:46:41,430 --> 01:46:38,719
free labor yeah enjoy it

2565
01:46:43,590 --> 01:46:41,440
prison labor right it's it's the new

2566
01:46:45,910 --> 01:46:43,600
minecraft forum

2567
01:46:50,149 --> 01:46:45,920
unify the planet yeah put down the

2568
01:46:53,990 --> 01:46:50,159
remote control put put down

2569
01:46:55,109 --> 01:46:54,000
see look even i

2570
01:46:56,629 --> 01:46:55,119
even i

2571
01:46:57,510 --> 01:46:56,639
am a gamer

2572
01:46:59,270 --> 01:46:57,520
oh

2573
01:47:02,070 --> 01:46:59,280
right there right there i see you're an

2574
01:47:03,830 --> 01:47:02,080
xbox man same here uh no that's for my

2575
01:47:10,950 --> 01:47:03,840
pc

2576
01:47:14,229 --> 01:47:10,960
uh with all these monitors and running

2577
01:47:16,870 --> 01:47:14,239
uh oh no man oh i i get fully into it

2578
01:47:19,189 --> 01:47:16,880
but uh i'm a playstation guy

2579
01:47:20,709 --> 01:47:19,199
yeah it's it's i mean i have xbox just

2580
01:47:22,550 --> 01:47:20,719
because i love playing halo and i've

2581
01:47:23,669 --> 01:47:22,560
been like loyal to them because of halo

2582
01:47:25,830 --> 01:47:23,679
and now

2583
01:47:27,590 --> 01:47:25,840
i regret it they just

2584
01:47:31,430 --> 01:47:27,600
don't come out with new games you know

2585
01:47:34,070 --> 01:47:31,440
so i i i did playstation for the

2586
01:47:38,149 --> 01:47:34,080
sexiness of lara croft

2587
01:47:40,470 --> 01:47:38,159
and the sexiness of uh gran turismo and

2588
01:47:43,109 --> 01:47:40,480
and racing cars and so

2589
01:47:44,550 --> 01:47:43,119
i just uh i i i went to playstation

2590
01:47:47,510 --> 01:47:44,560
route but now

2591
01:47:51,189 --> 01:47:47,520
um i'm all about the pc dude i've got uh

2592
01:47:53,510 --> 01:47:51,199
uh an extreme three joystick

2593
01:47:55,430 --> 01:47:53,520
i got that down there oh man

2594
01:47:57,109 --> 01:47:55,440
well the pc gaming is where it's at

2595
01:47:59,669 --> 01:47:57,119
that's the next level it's obviously a

2596
01:48:01,109 --> 01:47:59,679
much more expensive rig but man it's

2597
01:48:03,270 --> 01:48:01,119
everything looks better sounds better

2598
01:48:04,870 --> 01:48:03,280
plays better you know and so

2599
01:48:06,390 --> 01:48:04,880
that will be next time i get a new

2600
01:48:10,629 --> 01:48:06,400
system i think i'm going to upgrade to

2601
01:48:12,870 --> 01:48:10,639
the old pc i'm uh i'm at uh this is

2602
01:48:15,109 --> 01:48:12,880
i'm 58 years old

2603
01:48:16,390 --> 01:48:15,119
and i'm at best buy

2604
01:48:19,830 --> 01:48:16,400
eyeing

2605
01:48:21,510 --> 01:48:19,840
the driving chair right with the pedals

2606
01:48:22,790 --> 01:48:21,520
and the steering wheel and the stick

2607
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:22,800
shift and

2608
01:48:26,870 --> 01:48:24,970
and i'm like it's that's it man

2609
01:48:30,709 --> 01:48:26,880
[Laughter]

2610
01:48:32,390 --> 01:48:30,719
bye-bye cool world i'm getting a nascar

2611
01:48:34,229 --> 01:48:32,400
formula one

2612
01:48:36,550 --> 01:48:34,239
driving chair

2613
01:48:37,510 --> 01:48:36,560
there you go could you imagine that

2614
01:48:40,070 --> 01:48:37,520
ah

2615
01:48:41,189 --> 01:48:40,080
and i love it i was this close man i was

2616
01:48:42,550 --> 01:48:41,199
this clown

2617
01:48:43,830 --> 01:48:42,560
you know what i don't even know why i

2618
01:48:46,790 --> 01:48:43,840
didn't get it

2619
01:48:47,910 --> 01:48:46,800
i was planning on it i think the fader

2620
01:48:49,669 --> 01:48:47,920
nuts should all chip in and get it for

2621
01:48:51,990 --> 01:48:49,679
you for christmas oh you know what

2622
01:48:54,709 --> 01:48:52,000
that'd be sweet or not i need the uh

2623
01:48:57,910 --> 01:48:54,719
driving setup uh anybody would like to

2624
01:48:59,590 --> 01:48:57,920
gift me i will give you my p.o box

2625
01:49:00,470 --> 01:48:59,600
think about what he gives to you people

2626
01:49:03,109 --> 01:49:00,480
come on

2627
01:49:07,669 --> 01:49:03,119
oh somebody five nights a week third

2628
01:49:09,030 --> 01:49:07,679
stone just posted up a verge version one

2629
01:49:12,070 --> 01:49:09,040
of uh

2630
01:49:14,629 --> 01:49:12,080
of of lara croft tomb raider right the

2631
01:49:16,470 --> 01:49:14,639
first version on a pc

2632
01:49:17,270 --> 01:49:16,480
oh boy and

2633
01:49:21,350 --> 01:49:17,280
we

2634
01:49:25,910 --> 01:49:24,229
it's freaking triangles right yeah

2635
01:49:28,470 --> 01:49:25,920
and those gamer dudes are just like man

2636
01:49:31,030 --> 01:49:28,480
lara croft is so hot man look at look at

2637
01:49:34,149 --> 01:49:31,040
that rhomboid look at her climb those

2638
01:49:37,030 --> 01:49:34,159
rocks oh my god

2639
01:49:38,149 --> 01:49:37,040
i did man i went down that path i did i

2640
01:49:39,750 --> 01:49:38,159
really did

2641
01:49:41,830 --> 01:49:39,760
um but

2642
01:49:43,350 --> 01:49:41,840
if if

2643
01:49:45,910 --> 01:49:43,360
this thing

2644
01:49:47,990 --> 01:49:45,920
goes to the next level

2645
01:49:50,149 --> 01:49:48,000
i am a little bit worried it's not the

2646
01:49:52,229 --> 01:49:50,159
petrochemical industry that's going to

2647
01:49:54,149 --> 01:49:52,239
be a concern and of course you know

2648
01:49:56,629 --> 01:49:54,159
government to military

2649
01:49:59,589 --> 01:49:56,639
but uh the religions around the world

2650
01:50:01,350 --> 01:49:59,599
you know catholicism and islam and

2651
01:50:03,189 --> 01:50:01,360
yeah and and

2652
01:50:05,750 --> 01:50:03,199
which you know we're seven and a half

2653
01:50:08,229 --> 01:50:05,760
billion people on this planet well four

2654
01:50:11,109 --> 01:50:08,239
billion are pretty dedicated

2655
01:50:12,470 --> 01:50:11,119
uh religious fundamentalist is that is

2656
01:50:14,470 --> 01:50:12,480
that is that really the is that the

2657
01:50:16,229 --> 01:50:14,480
number wow that's well i'm i'm pulling

2658
01:50:17,589 --> 01:50:16,239
stuff out of my butt right now but it's

2659
01:50:20,629 --> 01:50:17,599
no you're probably i mean it sounds i

2660
01:50:24,709 --> 01:50:20,639
mean i believe it you know yeah yeah and

2661
01:50:27,830 --> 01:50:24,719
and and what does that do they have to

2662
01:50:30,709 --> 01:50:27,840
uh do something to they have to embrace

2663
01:50:33,750 --> 01:50:30,719
it they can't go into denial but now

2664
01:50:36,550 --> 01:50:33,760
they have to work it into their dogma

2665
01:50:38,870 --> 01:50:36,560
yeah uh wow i mean i'm sure they would i

2666
01:50:40,550 --> 01:50:38,880
mean it hasn't even like the vatican in

2667
01:50:42,790 --> 01:50:40,560
the last like decade kind of like

2668
01:50:44,629 --> 01:50:42,800
skirted around the e.t issues like oh

2669
01:50:47,189 --> 01:50:44,639
yes he would be a son of god too or

2670
01:50:49,510 --> 01:50:47,199
something i thought i heard i'm not i'm

2671
01:50:51,589 --> 01:50:49,520
no actually i think the quote is i think

2672
01:50:53,270 --> 01:50:51,599
the quote is uh

2673
01:50:56,149 --> 01:50:53,280
uh mantids

2674
01:50:58,229 --> 01:50:56,159
would get baptized too

2675
01:50:59,189 --> 01:50:58,239
i think that was uh pope john paul the

2676
01:51:01,589 --> 01:50:59,199
second

2677
01:51:03,589 --> 01:51:01,599
mantids

2678
01:51:05,430 --> 01:51:03,599
yeah that's a race no one ever gives

2679
01:51:08,070 --> 01:51:05,440
them credit

2680
01:51:08,790 --> 01:51:08,080
that you know that is racist

2681
01:51:09,750 --> 01:51:08,800
you know

2682
01:51:10,950 --> 01:51:09,760
actually that brings me something i

2683
01:51:12,229 --> 01:51:10,960
wanted to ask you i thought about this

2684
01:51:13,030 --> 01:51:12,239
over the break right

2685
01:51:16,709 --> 01:51:13,040
so

2686
01:51:22,149 --> 01:51:19,910
i feel like a true disclosure that

2687
01:51:24,550 --> 01:51:22,159
everyone would be satisfied with

2688
01:51:26,550 --> 01:51:24,560
would be like

2689
01:51:28,709 --> 01:51:26,560
like when they you know here's i guess

2690
01:51:30,790 --> 01:51:28,719
here's my opinion my take on it

2691
01:51:31,990 --> 01:51:30,800
if it's about craft flying through the

2692
01:51:35,030 --> 01:51:32,000
sky

2693
01:51:37,510 --> 01:51:35,040
obviously it's interesting and i'm i am

2694
01:51:40,070 --> 01:51:37,520
totally excited about it but what i

2695
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:40,080
guess is really gonna you know make my

2696
01:51:44,709 --> 01:51:41,760
head spin around is when they start

2697
01:51:46,390 --> 01:51:44,719
talking about the con contactees

2698
01:51:48,070 --> 01:51:46,400
and they start talking about people who

2699
01:51:50,709 --> 01:51:48,080
have you know close encounter

2700
01:51:52,470 --> 01:51:50,719
experiences because one thing that with

2701
01:51:54,149 --> 01:51:52,480
all the ufo narrative that's going on in

2702
01:51:55,270 --> 01:51:54,159
the washington post and politico and new

2703
01:51:58,070 --> 01:51:55,280
york times

2704
01:52:00,470 --> 01:51:58,080
they are hardly touching any case prior

2705
01:52:03,270 --> 01:52:00,480
to 2004. won't touch it

2706
01:52:03,990 --> 01:52:03,280
and that you and i know this phenomenon

2707
01:52:06,149 --> 01:52:04,000
is

2708
01:52:09,270 --> 01:52:06,159
goes i mean you know it has been going

2709
01:52:11,510 --> 01:52:09,280
on for a long time maybe even for longer

2710
01:52:13,910 --> 01:52:11,520
than we have been able to record things

2711
01:52:14,870 --> 01:52:13,920
right not on paper or whatever so i feel

2712
01:52:17,030 --> 01:52:14,880
like

2713
01:52:18,709 --> 01:52:17,040
in a way part of me is frustrated that

2714
01:52:20,790 --> 01:52:18,719
it seems like they're like well the ufo

2715
01:52:22,310 --> 01:52:20,800
phenomenon started in 2004 and that's

2716
01:52:23,910 --> 01:52:22,320
all we're going to deal with but what

2717
01:52:26,310 --> 01:52:23,920
happened about all the research before

2718
01:52:28,790 --> 01:52:26,320
that what about what about calvin parker

2719
01:52:30,950 --> 01:52:28,800
what about absolutely you know and and

2720
01:52:33,109 --> 01:52:30,960
and and discussing

2721
01:52:37,030 --> 01:52:33,119
you brought up lonnie zamora right and

2722
01:52:39,910 --> 01:52:37,040
socorro not a true contact experience

2723
01:52:42,390 --> 01:52:39,920
but what were the beings that he saw

2724
01:52:46,870 --> 01:52:42,400
outside of that craft right that's

2725
01:52:48,149 --> 01:52:46,880
betty and barney hill um uh uh travis

2726
01:52:50,790 --> 01:52:48,159
walton

2727
01:52:51,910 --> 01:52:50,800
and and we could continue with this but

2728
01:52:52,790 --> 01:52:51,920
if we

2729
01:52:56,629 --> 01:52:52,800
uh

2730
01:52:58,790 --> 01:52:56,639
if if if this goes to the next level

2731
01:53:02,229 --> 01:52:58,800
like you're saying that stuff's gonna

2732
01:53:05,830 --> 01:53:02,239
have to be addressed because the

2733
01:53:08,950 --> 01:53:05,840
the government went out of their way

2734
01:53:12,629 --> 01:53:08,960
through back channels uh

2735
01:53:14,950 --> 01:53:12,639
the ufo community television media

2736
01:53:15,669 --> 01:53:14,960
larry king philip class

2737
01:53:19,270 --> 01:53:15,679
to

2738
01:53:21,990 --> 01:53:19,280
absolutely embarrass and ridicule

2739
01:53:23,910 --> 01:53:22,000
um how many calvin parker jokes were

2740
01:53:28,709 --> 01:53:23,920
there about a couple of fishermen in the

2741
01:53:32,390 --> 01:53:28,719
swamps of louisiana that that have uh uh

2742
01:53:34,149 --> 01:53:32,400
an anal probing session with uh i mean

2743
01:53:35,750 --> 01:53:34,159
think about poor whitley strieber man i

2744
01:53:38,470 --> 01:53:35,760
mean

2745
01:53:41,990 --> 01:53:38,480
every joke for 20 years so that guy was

2746
01:53:45,270 --> 01:53:42,000
traumatized south park right yeah now

2747
01:53:48,629 --> 01:53:45,280
now okay so which um

2748
01:53:51,189 --> 01:53:48,639
uh uh i absolutely

2749
01:53:52,470 --> 01:53:51,199
uh whitley's probably listening right

2750
01:53:55,350 --> 01:53:52,480
now and

2751
01:53:56,870 --> 01:53:55,360
and he texted me yesterday and said uh

2752
01:53:58,229 --> 01:53:56,880
thank you jimmy you bring out the best

2753
01:54:00,709 --> 01:53:58,239
of me and and

2754
01:54:03,669 --> 01:54:00,719
you know and coming from whitley so i

2755
01:54:04,950 --> 01:54:03,679
love willie we have a great relationship

2756
01:54:07,189 --> 01:54:04,960
but

2757
01:54:09,030 --> 01:54:07,199
south park was pretty damn funny and

2758
01:54:11,189 --> 01:54:09,040
it's a great show i love trey and matt

2759
01:54:13,189 --> 01:54:11,199
man but like you know

2760
01:54:17,109 --> 01:54:13,199
i feel sorry for whitley dude i really

2761
01:54:20,470 --> 01:54:17,119
do i i no i feel bad for him but the

2762
01:54:25,589 --> 01:54:20,480
approach to something like a stand-up

2763
01:54:27,830 --> 01:54:25,599
comedian or a tv show or south park

2764
01:54:30,149 --> 01:54:27,840
this is taking it out to another

2765
01:54:32,550 --> 01:54:30,159
audience that doesn't know whitley

2766
01:54:35,270 --> 01:54:32,560
right that that they don't love whitley

2767
01:54:37,830 --> 01:54:35,280
like we love whitley yeah but the

2768
01:54:40,950 --> 01:54:37,840
conversation certainly gets started and

2769
01:54:42,390 --> 01:54:40,960
the phenomena gets discussed and it's in

2770
01:54:45,830 --> 01:54:42,400
its own way

2771
01:54:48,070 --> 01:54:45,840
and i'm being very very very serious

2772
01:54:55,030 --> 01:54:48,080
right now you and i talked about this on

2773
01:54:57,030 --> 01:54:55,040
stage right and and i think that uh okay

2774
01:54:59,270 --> 01:54:57,040
you're my guest it's about you but let

2775
01:55:02,709 --> 01:54:59,280
me say this

2776
01:55:04,709 --> 01:55:02,719
i stepped off the stage um

2777
01:55:06,390 --> 01:55:04,719
you know when when i'm speaking in front

2778
01:55:10,070 --> 01:55:06,400
of a bunch of people

2779
01:55:12,310 --> 01:55:10,080
uh you're not getting my representative

2780
01:55:13,109 --> 01:55:12,320
you're getting jimmy church okay all

2781
01:55:16,790 --> 01:55:13,119
right

2782
01:55:19,430 --> 01:55:16,800
and so some things pop out of my mouth

2783
01:55:21,430 --> 01:55:19,440
they just do

2784
01:55:23,669 --> 01:55:21,440
somebody comes up to me

2785
01:55:26,629 --> 01:55:23,679
um

2786
01:55:28,229 --> 01:55:26,639
i can't say that what i was going to say

2787
01:55:30,390 --> 01:55:28,239
but uh

2788
01:55:32,310 --> 01:55:30,400
no i'll say this somebody that you might

2789
01:55:33,860 --> 01:55:32,320
have met this weekend that's all i'm

2790
01:55:35,030 --> 01:55:33,870
going to say i'm just going to say that

2791
01:55:37,510 --> 01:55:35,040
[Laughter]

2792
01:55:39,910 --> 01:55:37,520
came up to me said church

2793
01:55:42,149 --> 01:55:39,920
you can't make jokes

2794
01:55:44,229 --> 01:55:42,159
this is not funny this is not and i said

2795
01:55:45,189 --> 01:55:44,239
wait a minute here

2796
01:55:47,030 --> 01:55:45,199
uh

2797
01:55:50,310 --> 01:55:47,040
first off yes i can

2798
01:55:53,669 --> 01:55:50,320
and and you need to loosen up

2799
01:55:56,070 --> 01:55:53,679
and if we can't laugh at ourselves

2800
01:55:57,910 --> 01:55:56,080
not all but if we can't

2801
01:56:00,070 --> 01:55:57,920
take that opportunity to laugh at

2802
01:56:03,270 --> 01:56:00,080
ourselves then we're the problem

2803
01:56:04,390 --> 01:56:03,280
absolutely right and and and i i i truly

2804
01:56:06,229 --> 01:56:04,400
mean that

2805
01:56:07,750 --> 01:56:06,239
yeah

2806
01:56:09,270 --> 01:56:07,760
in comedy

2807
01:56:10,629 --> 01:56:09,280
when uh

2808
01:56:12,709 --> 01:56:10,639
uh

2809
01:56:16,550 --> 01:56:12,719
sam kennison talking about

2810
01:56:18,390 --> 01:56:16,560
you know skinny ethiopian kids you know

2811
01:56:21,350 --> 01:56:18,400
living in sand

2812
01:56:23,589 --> 01:56:22,550
harsh

2813
01:56:25,589 --> 01:56:23,599
yeah

2814
01:56:30,149 --> 01:56:25,599
funny

2815
01:56:31,910 --> 01:56:30,159
though

2816
01:56:33,990 --> 01:56:31,920
some people aren't able to understand

2817
01:56:35,750 --> 01:56:34,000
the military like he's performing comedy

2818
01:56:37,669 --> 01:56:35,760
this does not mean that sam kindeston

2819
01:56:38,870 --> 01:56:37,679
believes that ethiopian kids are just

2820
01:56:41,589 --> 01:56:38,880
people who live in sand and their lives

2821
01:56:44,310 --> 01:56:41,599
don't matter that's not what he means so

2822
01:56:46,149 --> 01:56:44,320
when people take comedy literally i

2823
01:56:47,589 --> 01:56:46,159
think

2824
01:56:49,589 --> 01:56:47,599
maybe they're not understanding what the

2825
01:56:51,030 --> 01:56:49,599
comedian is trying to do right and i'm

2826
01:56:52,950 --> 01:56:51,040
all for aiming to the top of your

2827
01:56:54,390 --> 01:56:52,960
intelligence i think sometimes like

2828
01:56:56,870 --> 01:56:54,400
picking on certain groups of people and

2829
01:56:59,189 --> 01:56:56,880
stuff like that is is way too easy and

2830
01:57:01,750 --> 01:56:59,199
not the smartest comedy it's not what i

2831
01:57:03,589 --> 01:57:01,760
like you know personally but if if some

2832
01:57:05,350 --> 01:57:03,599
communities want to do it i don't think

2833
01:57:06,629 --> 01:57:05,360
they necessarily need to be censored you

2834
01:57:07,910 --> 01:57:06,639
just don't have to consume what they're

2835
01:57:09,350 --> 01:57:07,920
what they're offering you're right you

2836
01:57:11,990 --> 01:57:09,360
know so if i don't like it and that

2837
01:57:13,990 --> 01:57:12,000
offends me well i then i just won't

2838
01:57:16,149 --> 01:57:14,000
watch it case closed you know they're in

2839
01:57:17,830 --> 01:57:16,159
my rearview mirror so but i don't think

2840
01:57:20,310 --> 01:57:17,840
they need to be their lives need to be

2841
01:57:21,589 --> 01:57:20,320
ruined it's just it's not for me no

2842
01:57:24,870 --> 01:57:21,599
that's okay

2843
01:57:27,510 --> 01:57:24,880
censoring comedy censoring art censoring

2844
01:57:30,070 --> 01:57:27,520
theater censoring cinema

2845
01:57:32,550 --> 01:57:30,080
is a zone that we don't need to go into

2846
01:57:34,550 --> 01:57:32,560
look no people it's dangerous if it's

2847
01:57:37,030 --> 01:57:34,560
not your cup of tea

2848
01:57:39,430 --> 01:57:37,040
don't watch it don't listen

2849
01:57:42,709 --> 01:57:39,440
it's really that simple if you want to

2850
01:57:45,910 --> 01:57:42,719
switch the channel over to the 700 club

2851
01:57:48,229 --> 01:57:45,920
go for it yep i'm okay

2852
01:57:49,830 --> 01:57:48,239
yeah it should really be about that have

2853
01:57:53,430 --> 01:57:49,840
you ever

2854
01:57:57,510 --> 01:57:53,440
regretted some comedy that you've done

2855
01:58:00,070 --> 01:57:57,520
um okay yeah well i you know when i was

2856
01:58:01,589 --> 01:58:00,080
uh doing a lot of uh sketch comedy right

2857
01:58:03,350 --> 01:58:01,599
i was writing a lot of shows and writing

2858
01:58:05,669 --> 01:58:03,360
law sketches putting them up and i

2859
01:58:07,669 --> 01:58:05,679
wanted to like kind of go bold and so a

2860
01:58:10,149 --> 01:58:07,679
group of my friends and i we wrote a

2861
01:58:13,189 --> 01:58:10,159
musical about waco it was called waco

2862
01:58:17,910 --> 01:58:15,350
and you know i was definitely young and

2863
01:58:20,070 --> 01:58:17,920
in my 20s and

2864
01:58:21,830 --> 01:58:20,080
i was not trying to be mean but like i

2865
01:58:23,990 --> 01:58:21,840
think in retrospect when i think back at

2866
01:58:26,149 --> 01:58:24,000
it i'm like maybe you could have taken a

2867
01:58:28,950 --> 01:58:26,159
different approach and i i was not like

2868
01:58:30,870 --> 01:58:28,960
in my intention really was not

2869
01:58:33,430 --> 01:58:30,880
to like laugh at the death of these

2870
01:58:34,470 --> 01:58:33,440
people but was to talk about what a

2871
01:58:35,990 --> 01:58:34,480
blunder

2872
01:58:38,229 --> 01:58:36,000
the government made

2873
01:58:40,149 --> 01:58:38,239
in letting these people die and kind of

2874
01:58:42,470 --> 01:58:40,159
like you know just and also to be kind

2875
01:58:45,030 --> 01:58:42,480
of you know edgy i suppose i was young

2876
01:58:47,830 --> 01:58:45,040
you know you want to be educated

2877
01:58:51,189 --> 01:58:47,840
did i hear did you say musical

2878
01:58:55,990 --> 01:58:53,350
i know i know man

2879
01:58:56,629 --> 01:58:56,000
wow it was funny though i thought you

2880
01:58:58,070 --> 01:58:56,639
know

2881
01:58:59,589 --> 01:58:58,080
right now if i put that show up right

2882
01:59:02,229 --> 01:58:59,599
now i'd be mer

2883
01:59:04,149 --> 01:59:02,239
i'd be yeah yeah but like but i admit i

2884
01:59:06,149 --> 01:59:04,159
did and there was nothing you know

2885
01:59:08,790 --> 01:59:06,159
racist homophobic or anything like that

2886
01:59:11,830 --> 01:59:08,800
about it but i was taking a tragedy and

2887
01:59:14,390 --> 01:59:11,840
making comedy out of it which i is a lot

2888
01:59:16,149 --> 01:59:14,400
of times okay for me i probably didn't

2889
01:59:17,910 --> 01:59:16,159
write it in a smart enough way because i

2890
01:59:20,149 --> 01:59:17,920
was young and still pretty green at the

2891
01:59:21,350 --> 01:59:20,159
time right but i don't regret doing it

2892
01:59:22,870 --> 01:59:21,360
it was a great experience you know and

2893
01:59:24,550 --> 01:59:22,880
some people at the time really liked it

2894
01:59:27,350 --> 01:59:24,560
some people i think did not like it but

2895
01:59:30,550 --> 01:59:27,360
that's okay you can't win at all well if

2896
01:59:32,790 --> 01:59:30,560
you if if you go back both versions of

2897
01:59:33,669 --> 01:59:32,800
the directors

2898
01:59:35,830 --> 01:59:33,679
whoa

2899
01:59:38,629 --> 01:59:35,840
right it's like uh

2900
01:59:40,470 --> 01:59:38,639
are the producers the directors the

2901
01:59:42,709 --> 01:59:40,480
producers the producer the mel brooks

2902
01:59:44,629 --> 01:59:42,719
thing are you talking about uh

2903
01:59:46,229 --> 01:59:44,639
well let's back up because that's where

2904
01:59:49,109 --> 01:59:46,239
i was going next

2905
01:59:51,430 --> 01:59:49,119
you know a musical comedy about hitler

2906
01:59:53,270 --> 01:59:51,440
is is

2907
01:59:56,470 --> 01:59:53,280
that's a roll of the dice

2908
01:59:58,229 --> 01:59:56,480
exactly exactly and then if you go back

2909
02:00:00,790 --> 01:59:58,239
and and you look at something like

2910
02:00:02,870 --> 02:00:00,800
blazing saddles where i don't think that

2911
02:00:05,589 --> 02:00:02,880
there's any question

2912
02:00:07,750 --> 02:00:05,599
that it is absolutely

2913
02:00:10,709 --> 02:00:07,760
cinema perfection

2914
02:00:12,390 --> 02:00:10,719
it's comedy perfection there are moments

2915
02:00:15,510 --> 02:00:12,400
in that film

2916
02:00:16,470 --> 02:00:15,520
that probably have never been funnier

2917
02:00:18,790 --> 02:00:16,480
ever

2918
02:00:21,510 --> 02:00:18,800
right but it couldn't be made today

2919
02:00:23,109 --> 02:00:21,520
no no and and even i mean the thing

2920
02:00:24,709 --> 02:00:23,119
about mel brooks i mean we're talking

2921
02:00:26,470 --> 02:00:24,719
about the guy who did that kind of stuff

2922
02:00:28,070 --> 02:00:26,480
better than anyone who's ever lived in

2923
02:00:30,229 --> 02:00:28,080
my opinion you know like he actually i

2924
02:00:32,629 --> 02:00:30,239
mean he you know he was a you know proud

2925
02:00:35,189 --> 02:00:32,639
he is a very proud jewish man and he

2926
02:00:36,229 --> 02:00:35,199
made a musical about hitler

2927
02:00:37,910 --> 02:00:36,239
so

2928
02:00:40,149 --> 02:00:37,920
i don't think it's my place to tell him

2929
02:00:42,870 --> 02:00:40,159
he can't do that

2930
02:00:45,830 --> 02:00:42,880
is that the hall pass

2931
02:00:47,350 --> 02:00:45,840
jewish

2932
02:00:49,910 --> 02:00:47,360
uh uh

2933
02:00:51,669 --> 02:00:49,920
honestly prop maybe i don't know like i

2934
02:00:54,870 --> 02:00:51,679
mean i'm not jewish so if i made it i'd

2935
02:00:56,950 --> 02:00:54,880
you know it probably would be cool um

2936
02:00:59,109 --> 02:00:56,960
i don't know maybe you know i don't i it

2937
02:01:01,830 --> 02:00:59,119
might have been the era but

2938
02:01:03,750 --> 02:01:01,840
who knows who knows but i also think

2939
02:01:05,510 --> 02:01:03,760
beyond anything it was mel brooks he

2940
02:01:07,350 --> 02:01:05,520
wrote a great script a great musical and

2941
02:01:10,550 --> 02:01:07,360
they were like this is undeniably funny

2942
02:01:12,070 --> 02:01:10,560
his point is not to like glorify hitler

2943
02:01:14,229 --> 02:01:12,080
it's to make him look like the horrible

2944
02:01:16,709 --> 02:01:14,239
person he is you know right just to

2945
02:01:18,149 --> 02:01:16,719
remind us how awful he was by making him

2946
02:01:21,750 --> 02:01:18,159
look like a boob by making him look like

2947
02:01:24,870 --> 02:01:21,760
a you know an idiot right right so

2948
02:01:26,470 --> 02:01:24,880
it's really smart cerebral comedy that

2949
02:01:27,750 --> 02:01:26,480
you know i guess if you if you looked at

2950
02:01:29,510 --> 02:01:27,760
it on the surface maybe you would be

2951
02:01:31,430 --> 02:01:29,520
offended but if you really watch it and

2952
02:01:34,229 --> 02:01:31,440
really understand it no he's he has a

2953
02:01:36,550 --> 02:01:34,239
point what do you think um oh man i just

2954
02:01:38,550 --> 02:01:36,560
blew past a commercial break oh man

2955
02:01:41,030 --> 02:01:38,560
sorry about that network

2956
02:01:43,750 --> 02:01:41,040
i'm uh taking it now race hobbs i'm so

2957
02:01:45,030 --> 02:01:43,760
sorry that's what happened steve sucked

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i love ponies i really love ponies i'm

3044
02:05:56,870 --> 02:05:55,040
serious

3045
02:05:58,629 --> 02:05:56,880
i couldn't stay sane without pawn

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why fade to black

3048
02:06:13,140 --> 02:06:09,350
this is fade to black with jimmy church

3049
02:06:28,310 --> 02:06:13,150
on the game changer radio network

3050
02:06:31,750 --> 02:06:30,069
welcome back fade to black i'm your host

3051
02:06:32,870 --> 02:06:31,760
jimmy church tonight steve berg is with

3052
02:06:35,830 --> 02:06:32,880
us

3053
02:06:38,870 --> 02:06:35,840
and uh blew right through that race i'm

3054
02:06:41,030 --> 02:06:38,880
so sorry race probably

3055
02:06:44,069 --> 02:06:41,040
that was the best moment of the show but

3056
02:06:46,870 --> 02:06:44,079
we probably got uh preempted by

3057
02:06:49,669 --> 02:06:46,880
their their commercials and they missed

3058
02:06:53,430 --> 02:06:49,679
all of that action

3059
02:06:57,030 --> 02:06:53,440
i went through a period uh steve uh when

3060
02:07:01,669 --> 02:06:57,040
whitley's book uh came out communion

3061
02:07:04,149 --> 02:07:01,679
that that cover uh affected me so much

3062
02:07:06,390 --> 02:07:04,159
i'm not the only one of course but

3063
02:07:09,430 --> 02:07:06,400
i had to have it

3064
02:07:14,709 --> 02:07:09,440
flipped over in my room like i couldn't

3065
02:07:17,350 --> 02:07:14,719
walk in and and see it it profoundly

3066
02:07:18,310 --> 02:07:17,360
affected me in in a lot of different

3067
02:07:19,750 --> 02:07:18,320
ways

3068
02:07:21,270 --> 02:07:19,760
um

3069
02:07:23,510 --> 02:07:21,280
is there a

3070
02:07:26,629 --> 02:07:23,520
a race of beings

3071
02:07:28,550 --> 02:07:26,639
that that does that for you oh

3072
02:07:30,390 --> 02:07:28,560
man well yeah they all kind of scare me

3073
02:07:32,709 --> 02:07:30,400
obviously yes i would have to agree with

3074
02:07:34,550 --> 02:07:32,719
you i mean i was i can i remember i was

3075
02:07:37,109 --> 02:07:34,560
11 years old at the west roads mall and

3076
02:07:38,470 --> 02:07:37,119
my mom was taking me to walden books

3077
02:07:39,589 --> 02:07:38,480
and that book you know it was the best

3078
02:07:40,950 --> 02:07:39,599
seller at the time so it was on the

3079
02:07:42,790 --> 02:07:40,960
display case

3080
02:07:45,910 --> 02:07:42,800
and i remember seeing it and just like a

3081
02:07:47,589 --> 02:07:45,920
tractor beam i was like horrified by it

3082
02:07:49,350 --> 02:07:47,599
yet intrigued and my mom bought it for

3083
02:07:52,069 --> 02:07:49,360
me and i remember reading it like real

3084
02:07:54,470 --> 02:07:52,079
fast you know i was pretty young

3085
02:07:56,870 --> 02:07:54,480
and it scared the living daylights out

3086
02:07:58,629 --> 02:07:56,880
of me i mean terrified me

3087
02:07:59,990 --> 02:07:58,639
in a way that i'd never been terrified

3088
02:08:01,669 --> 02:08:00,000
before and i was like one of those weird

3089
02:08:03,910 --> 02:08:01,679
kids who was watching like texas

3090
02:08:07,109 --> 02:08:03,920
chainsaw massacre at nine years old like

3091
02:08:09,750 --> 02:08:07,119
way before i should be but that book

3092
02:08:12,149 --> 02:08:09,760
was the most troubling thing i'd ever

3093
02:08:13,270 --> 02:08:12,159
read in my life yet it like

3094
02:08:16,149 --> 02:08:13,280
fed my

3095
02:08:19,750 --> 02:08:16,159
lust for ufo knowledge like even more

3096
02:08:23,510 --> 02:08:19,760
yeah um i went through communion did

3097
02:08:24,629 --> 02:08:23,520
that to me there were moments uh and

3098
02:08:28,069 --> 02:08:24,639
during

3099
02:08:30,629 --> 02:08:28,079
that three four five year period um

3100
02:08:32,310 --> 02:08:30,639
i had read the andreessen affair a

3101
02:08:36,229 --> 02:08:32,320
couple of times

3102
02:08:39,990 --> 02:08:36,239
and uh and then plowed through communion

3103
02:08:41,750 --> 02:08:40,000
and i found myself i'm not exaggerating

3104
02:08:44,629 --> 02:08:41,760
when i say this

3105
02:08:47,430 --> 02:08:44,639
i would read with one eye

3106
02:08:48,470 --> 02:08:47,440
because my other eye was looking around

3107
02:08:51,189 --> 02:08:48,480
the room

3108
02:08:52,550 --> 02:08:51,199
or looking at the bedroom window right i

3109
02:08:55,589 --> 02:08:52,560
mean it

3110
02:08:58,470 --> 02:08:55,599
it was a crazy experience to go through

3111
02:09:00,390 --> 02:08:58,480
oh it really it really was and like you

3112
02:09:02,229 --> 02:09:00,400
know i mean i i love whitley street to

3113
02:09:04,229 --> 02:09:02,239
me he's like the poet laureate of the

3114
02:09:05,430 --> 02:09:04,239
ufo world you know he's like he's like

3115
02:09:08,229 --> 02:09:05,440
the scribe

3116
02:09:09,589 --> 02:09:08,239
and speaking of i'm i'm total scythe

3117
02:09:11,750 --> 02:09:09,599
well i'll hold on this because i do want

3118
02:09:15,189 --> 02:09:11,760
to ask you about this but

3119
02:09:16,390 --> 02:09:15,199
that book was such a um you know there's

3120
02:09:17,669 --> 02:09:16,400
if you went back and you know i'm sure

3121
02:09:19,350 --> 02:09:17,679
like a guy like richard dolan can do

3122
02:09:22,390 --> 02:09:19,360
this but he could probably pinpoint

3123
02:09:23,510 --> 02:09:22,400
where there is big jumps in evolutionary

3124
02:09:25,430 --> 02:09:23,520
like

3125
02:09:27,669 --> 02:09:25,440
knowledge or consciousness about the ufo

3126
02:09:29,750 --> 02:09:27,679
phenomenon and whitley's book was

3127
02:09:31,589 --> 02:09:29,760
definitely one of those like you know

3128
02:09:33,510 --> 02:09:31,599
meteoric jumps

3129
02:09:35,830 --> 02:09:33,520
where you'd heard about the contact e

3130
02:09:36,629 --> 02:09:35,840
stuff a little bit about abduction

3131
02:09:37,830 --> 02:09:36,639
but

3132
02:09:41,589 --> 02:09:37,840
abduction

3133
02:09:43,990 --> 02:09:41,599
like

3134
02:09:47,030 --> 02:09:44,000
was mainstream after whitley

3135
02:09:49,510 --> 02:09:47,040
yeah yeah yeah yeah there's uh

3136
02:09:50,629 --> 02:09:49,520
there is something about

3137
02:09:53,030 --> 02:09:50,639
uh

3138
02:09:54,069 --> 02:09:53,040
that kind of experience that he went

3139
02:09:56,229 --> 02:09:54,079
through

3140
02:10:00,149 --> 02:09:56,239
that has to

3141
02:10:02,870 --> 02:10:00,159
um affect the individual in a profound

3142
02:10:06,709 --> 02:10:02,880
way that we don't understand

3143
02:10:08,550 --> 02:10:06,719
yeah and he has tried to verbalize

3144
02:10:09,910 --> 02:10:08,560
uh through writing and through

3145
02:10:12,830 --> 02:10:09,920
interviews

3146
02:10:15,589 --> 02:10:12,840
uh the

3147
02:10:17,030 --> 02:10:15,599
the his psyche

3148
02:10:20,550 --> 02:10:17,040
his outlook

3149
02:10:23,350 --> 02:10:20,560
his perception and how all of that was

3150
02:10:27,750 --> 02:10:23,360
altered and for somebody that goes

3151
02:10:31,189 --> 02:10:27,760
through a contacty experience a real one

3152
02:10:33,270 --> 02:10:31,199
he now looks for those changes in in

3153
02:10:34,390 --> 02:10:33,280
those individuals and how they speak

3154
02:10:37,589 --> 02:10:34,400
about it

3155
02:10:38,950 --> 02:10:37,599
because he understands the change that

3156
02:10:41,589 --> 02:10:38,960
he went through

3157
02:10:43,350 --> 02:10:41,599
so he looks for that in others um not

3158
02:10:45,990 --> 02:10:43,360
only in their honesty about the

3159
02:10:48,390 --> 02:10:46,000
experience but to see if it was a shared

3160
02:10:49,910 --> 02:10:48,400
experience right right trying to find

3161
02:10:52,390 --> 02:10:49,920
patterns and that's what a good

3162
02:10:54,470 --> 02:10:52,400
researcher does and like

3163
02:10:56,390 --> 02:10:54,480
you know uh

3164
02:10:57,669 --> 02:10:56,400
you were going to ask me something

3165
02:10:59,189 --> 02:10:57,679
oh i was going to ask you something

3166
02:11:00,470 --> 02:10:59,199
speaking of whitley and like jacques and

3167
02:11:03,830 --> 02:11:00,480
all these like you know luminaries of

3168
02:11:06,310 --> 02:11:03,840
the ufo world have you seen what uh greg

3169
02:11:08,390 --> 02:11:06,320
bishop and red red pill junkie i'm not

3170
02:11:11,270 --> 02:11:08,400
sure if you know he is he's a wonderful

3171
02:11:12,310 --> 02:11:11,280
artist they are creating a ufo tarot

3172
02:11:14,790 --> 02:11:12,320
deck

3173
02:11:18,870 --> 02:11:14,800
oh really with all kinds of luminaries

3174
02:11:20,149 --> 02:11:18,880
of in in the art is absolutely gorgeous

3175
02:11:22,149 --> 02:11:20,159
i'm gonna buy you one of these decks

3176
02:11:26,069 --> 02:11:22,159
when they come out you are going to love

3177
02:11:28,310 --> 02:11:26,079
it it is so damn cool yeah greg is

3178
02:11:30,470 --> 02:11:28,320
somebody that uh

3179
02:11:31,830 --> 02:11:30,480
not only that i have a huge amount of

3180
02:11:33,750 --> 02:11:31,840
respect for

3181
02:11:35,350 --> 02:11:33,760
but he's somebody that we don't hear

3182
02:11:37,430 --> 02:11:35,360
enough from

3183
02:11:39,589 --> 02:11:37,440
in the ufo community

3184
02:11:41,589 --> 02:11:39,599
yeah and i remember and i'm sure you've

3185
02:11:42,790 --> 02:11:41,599
done the same thing because you guys are

3186
02:11:45,270 --> 02:11:42,800
friends too

3187
02:11:48,310 --> 02:11:45,280
but i remember a couple of conversations

3188
02:11:49,990 --> 02:11:48,320
i was on long drives and uh and greg and

3189
02:11:51,270 --> 02:11:50,000
i are on the phone

3190
02:11:53,189 --> 02:11:51,280
and

3191
02:11:54,790 --> 02:11:53,199
i mean i was just like

3192
02:11:57,270 --> 02:11:54,800
you've got to be the smartest guy i've

3193
02:11:59,589 --> 02:11:57,280
ever met i agree you know and i worked

3194
02:12:02,470 --> 02:11:59,599
with him for a long time but

3195
02:12:03,430 --> 02:12:02,480
uh that's one side of greg but the other

3196
02:12:05,669 --> 02:12:03,440
side

3197
02:12:08,390 --> 02:12:05,679
he has been

3198
02:12:11,669 --> 02:12:08,400
at the center of some pretty profound

3199
02:12:14,870 --> 02:12:11,679
events in in ufo history and he doesn't

3200
02:12:16,870 --> 02:12:14,880
talk about it no i mean he you you know

3201
02:12:18,629 --> 02:12:16,880
the famous bill moore incident at the

3202
02:12:20,149 --> 02:12:18,639
mufon convention the 80s where he came

3203
02:12:22,870 --> 02:12:20,159
out and told everyone he had been

3204
02:12:25,510 --> 02:12:22,880
working with the military disseminating

3205
02:12:27,270 --> 02:12:25,520
disinformation greg was outside working

3206
02:12:28,950 --> 02:12:27,280
his swag table

3207
02:12:30,149 --> 02:12:28,960
yes that was going on

3208
02:12:32,149 --> 02:12:30,159
like

3209
02:12:35,109 --> 02:12:32,159
greg uh i you know i've been very

3210
02:12:38,790 --> 02:12:35,119
critical of of more over the years

3211
02:12:41,589 --> 02:12:38,800
and one day he calls me up and and uh

3212
02:12:42,390 --> 02:12:41,599
greg if you're listening um

3213
02:12:50,390 --> 02:12:42,400
uh

3214
02:12:53,109 --> 02:12:50,400
said he called me up the next day church

3215
02:12:56,149 --> 02:12:53,119
um i got to talk to you about bill moore

3216
02:12:59,270 --> 02:12:56,159
and and he schooled me for a couple of

3217
02:13:00,149 --> 02:12:59,280
hours didn't change my opinion right

3218
02:13:02,709 --> 02:13:00,159
okay

3219
02:13:03,910 --> 02:13:02,719
uh but certainly opened up my eyes to a

3220
02:13:07,510 --> 02:13:03,920
few things

3221
02:13:10,069 --> 02:13:07,520
um but i didn't know that about greg

3222
02:13:13,189 --> 02:13:10,079
i didn't know i didn't know it's like

3223
02:13:15,750 --> 02:13:13,199
greg what what what don't you know

3224
02:13:17,990 --> 02:13:15,760
yeah no he he is uh he honestly like you

3225
02:13:19,589 --> 02:13:18,000
know like a quick little thing like uh

3226
02:13:21,750 --> 02:13:19,599
you know about 10 years ago i guess

3227
02:13:23,350 --> 02:13:21,760
maybe god like 12 years ago i wrote him

3228
02:13:24,550 --> 02:13:23,360
an email i found his email address and

3229
02:13:25,589 --> 02:13:24,560
just wrote him and said can i take it

3230
02:13:27,350 --> 02:13:25,599
for lunch

3231
02:13:29,510 --> 02:13:27,360
and then we became golfing buddies down

3232
02:13:31,510 --> 02:13:29,520
the los filas three uh you know the

3233
02:13:32,950 --> 02:13:31,520
little pigeon golf course and we're just

3234
02:13:34,310 --> 02:13:32,960
talking about both are you talking about

3235
02:13:37,990 --> 02:13:34,320
roosevelt

3236
02:13:40,069 --> 02:13:38,000
went to all the like the cheap public

3237
02:13:40,870 --> 02:13:40,079
golf courses it was just golf and he

3238
02:13:42,550 --> 02:13:40,880
would

3239
02:13:44,790 --> 02:13:42,560
he was like i always told him he's like

3240
02:13:46,310 --> 02:13:44,800
my ufo mentor in a lot of ways because

3241
02:13:47,990 --> 02:13:46,320
he really like

3242
02:13:49,589 --> 02:13:48,000
was able to synthesize a lot of these

3243
02:13:51,270 --> 02:13:49,599
complicated ideas and help me understand

3244
02:13:53,189 --> 02:13:51,280
them and i i like i

3245
02:13:56,229 --> 02:13:53,199
i adore that man you know i think he's

3246
02:13:57,430 --> 02:13:56,239
so great right that loss feels par three

3247
02:14:03,109 --> 02:13:57,440
is epic

3248
02:14:05,589 --> 02:14:03,119
man yes they did yes they did um but

3249
02:14:07,510 --> 02:14:05,599
that that was my hangout and also across

3250
02:14:11,430 --> 02:14:07,520
the street up the road a little bit

3251
02:14:13,830 --> 02:14:11,440
studio city golf that little part

3252
02:14:15,750 --> 02:14:13,840
that place right off ventura yes

3253
02:14:17,109 --> 02:14:15,760
yeah that place rules yeah next to uh

3254
02:14:18,229 --> 02:14:17,119
jerry's deli

3255
02:14:20,229 --> 02:14:18,239
oh

3256
02:14:21,669 --> 02:14:20,239
and they closed that jerry's deli too

3257
02:14:25,350 --> 02:14:21,679
yeah i can't believe it and then what

3258
02:14:28,950 --> 02:14:25,360
are they doing and then uh up the hill

3259
02:14:31,310 --> 02:14:28,960
uh i mean uh up into the valley about a

3260
02:14:33,990 --> 02:14:31,320
mile away two miles away is

3261
02:14:35,270 --> 02:14:34,000
billingsley's have you ever played that

3262
02:14:38,709 --> 02:14:35,280
par three

3263
02:14:40,870 --> 02:14:38,719
no and uh it's it's next to uh lake

3264
02:14:42,069 --> 02:14:40,880
balboa it's called billingslease you

3265
02:14:42,950 --> 02:14:42,079
know why

3266
02:14:45,270 --> 02:14:42,960
why

3267
02:14:47,270 --> 02:14:45,280
it's owned by barbara billingsley leave

3268
02:14:49,669 --> 02:14:47,280
it to beaver

3269
02:14:52,390 --> 02:14:49,679
she owns a public golf course yes

3270
02:14:53,589 --> 02:14:52,400
right there are billingslease oh you

3271
02:14:54,550 --> 02:14:53,599
learn something new every day that's

3272
02:14:56,790 --> 02:14:54,560
amazing

3273
02:14:57,990 --> 02:14:56,800
yeah golf was a part of my life golf and

3274
02:15:00,790 --> 02:14:58,000
ufos

3275
02:15:03,669 --> 02:15:00,800
and uh and all of my buddies well yeah

3276
02:15:07,350 --> 02:15:03,679
no they do actually you know they do

3277
02:15:09,430 --> 02:15:07,360
they they go right together um now

3278
02:15:11,350 --> 02:15:09,440
uh but i want to stay on this though i'm

3279
02:15:12,149 --> 02:15:11,360
leading you into something else

3280
02:15:15,990 --> 02:15:12,159
um

3281
02:15:19,189 --> 02:15:16,000
do you think that e.t understands comedy

3282
02:15:21,669 --> 02:15:19,199
i think et is the most pure form of

3283
02:15:22,470 --> 02:15:21,679
comedy or whatever the phenomenon is i

3284
02:15:26,229 --> 02:15:22,480
think

3285
02:15:29,270 --> 02:15:26,239
that kind of idea um and i don't know

3286
02:15:30,870 --> 02:15:29,280
where exactly the it comes from

3287
02:15:32,229 --> 02:15:30,880
how ancient it is but the idea of the

3288
02:15:34,629 --> 02:15:32,239
trickster

3289
02:15:38,390 --> 02:15:34,639
the ufo phenomenon is

3290
02:15:39,830 --> 02:15:38,400
so trickstery it appears i mean you know

3291
02:15:41,510 --> 02:15:39,840
and it's funny think of the the

3292
02:15:43,910 --> 02:15:41,520
symington case in wisconsin where they

3293
02:15:45,669 --> 02:15:43,920
give the guys space pancakes yes

3294
02:15:48,069 --> 02:15:45,679
i'm sorry that's one of the funniest

3295
02:15:49,830 --> 02:15:48,079
things i've ever heard of right right so

3296
02:15:52,149 --> 02:15:49,840
yes i think they understand candy in

3297
02:15:54,790 --> 02:15:52,159
fact i think they use comedy to confuse

3298
02:15:56,310 --> 02:15:54,800
us and mess with us i mean like i mean

3299
02:15:58,629 --> 02:15:56,320
you know uh

3300
02:16:01,109 --> 02:15:58,639
you know the the white house lawn right

3301
02:16:02,950 --> 02:16:01,119
there it is it happens and and dude

3302
02:16:04,790 --> 02:16:02,960
steps off and it's like hunter s

3303
02:16:06,709 --> 02:16:04,800
thompson

3304
02:16:09,109 --> 02:16:06,719
you know what i mean could that

3305
02:16:11,750 --> 02:16:09,119
that type of sarcasm

3306
02:16:13,270 --> 02:16:11,760
uh be a part of et culture and i would

3307
02:16:15,669 --> 02:16:13,280
have to say

3308
02:16:16,790 --> 02:16:15,679
that if you are an advanced being of

3309
02:16:18,629 --> 02:16:16,800
light

3310
02:16:21,189 --> 02:16:18,639
you would have to have gone through the

3311
02:16:22,310 --> 02:16:21,199
most amazing comedy

3312
02:16:25,030 --> 02:16:22,320
culture

3313
02:16:26,709 --> 02:16:25,040
uh and have it be a part of your society

3314
02:16:29,350 --> 02:16:26,719
it would have to be there i don't think

3315
02:16:31,030 --> 02:16:29,360
that they would be unfunny i think

3316
02:16:32,469 --> 02:16:31,040
you're absolutely right and evolved

3317
02:16:34,230 --> 02:16:32,479
being is going to understand the

3318
02:16:35,270 --> 02:16:34,240
benefits of laughter and i mean like you

3319
02:16:37,110 --> 02:16:35,280
know they're

3320
02:16:39,509 --> 02:16:37,120
even like on the on like a true

3321
02:16:41,509 --> 02:16:39,519
physiological level like they can

3322
02:16:42,629 --> 02:16:41,519
measure it releases serotonin and

3323
02:16:44,469 --> 02:16:42,639
dopamine

3324
02:16:46,150 --> 02:16:44,479
it makes you feel better to laugh you

3325
02:16:47,429 --> 02:16:46,160
know like let's say you just lost

3326
02:16:48,709 --> 02:16:47,439
somebody a dear friend and you're at a

3327
02:16:51,349 --> 02:16:48,719
funeral and then somebody on the way to

3328
02:16:53,509 --> 02:16:51,359
funeral cracks a great joke

3329
02:16:54,950 --> 02:16:53,519
well all of a sudden you're you know you

3330
02:16:57,429 --> 02:16:54,960
feel a little bit better the mood's a

3331
02:17:00,549 --> 02:16:57,439
little light comedy is

3332
02:17:02,150 --> 02:17:00,559
it's medicinal right you know so i would

3333
02:17:04,150 --> 02:17:02,160
think a higher form of intelligence

3334
02:17:06,389 --> 02:17:04,160
would absolutely under understand comedy

3335
02:17:07,429 --> 02:17:06,399
and utilize it with with even when

3336
02:17:10,389 --> 02:17:07,439
they're interacting with like little

3337
02:17:14,469 --> 02:17:10,399
ants like us so you're suggesting that

3338
02:17:15,589 --> 02:17:14,479
it doesn't matter what the event is

3339
02:17:17,190 --> 02:17:15,599
laughter

3340
02:17:19,389 --> 02:17:17,200
should be allowed

3341
02:17:22,870 --> 02:17:19,399
at least a little bit absolutely

3342
02:17:23,910 --> 02:17:22,880
absolutely i do i do i think

3343
02:17:25,669 --> 02:17:23,920
even like you know if you think about

3344
02:17:27,990 --> 02:17:25,679
like i love everything about the ufo

3345
02:17:29,509 --> 02:17:28,000
world right i love ufo ephemera i even

3346
02:17:31,270 --> 02:17:29,519
like looking at billy myers pictures

3347
02:17:33,030 --> 02:17:31,280
even though i know they're i don't well

3348
02:17:34,790 --> 02:17:33,040
i don't think i should know i don't

3349
02:17:35,910 --> 02:17:34,800
believe they're genuine right no they're

3350
02:17:37,669 --> 02:17:35,920
not but i

3351
02:17:39,429 --> 02:17:37,679
love looking at the craft i think

3352
02:17:40,469 --> 02:17:39,439
they're beautiful photographs you know

3353
02:17:41,910 --> 02:17:40,479
like

3354
02:17:43,589 --> 02:17:41,920
and i think they're kind of funny

3355
02:17:45,750 --> 02:17:43,599
looking they're so ridiculous some of

3356
02:17:48,629 --> 02:17:45,760
them that they make me laugh and i love

3357
02:17:51,910 --> 02:17:48,639
it have you had your heart broken on a

3358
02:17:54,870 --> 02:17:51,920
case that you steadfastly

3359
02:17:57,990 --> 02:17:54,880
were fascinated in and then you found

3360
02:18:00,230 --> 02:17:58,000
out it wasn't real

3361
02:18:02,950 --> 02:18:00,240
oh man i

3362
02:18:08,150 --> 02:18:02,960
yes i'm trying to think of one

3363
02:18:12,070 --> 02:18:10,709
oh boy well i i i mean i you know

3364
02:18:13,270 --> 02:18:12,080
something current and i'm not saying i

3365
02:18:15,669 --> 02:18:13,280
don't believe it but right now there's

3366
02:18:18,469 --> 02:18:15,679
like i have a travis walton you know um

3367
02:18:20,709 --> 02:18:18,479
controversy right and i i'm not saying i

3368
02:18:21,990 --> 02:18:20,719
don't believe travis i i actually

3369
02:18:23,509 --> 02:18:22,000
i haven't i don't even know what the

3370
02:18:25,750 --> 02:18:23,519
controversy is i haven't studied what

3371
02:18:27,270 --> 02:18:25,760
people's claims are of why it's a hoax

3372
02:18:29,110 --> 02:18:27,280
but that one would disappoint me because

3373
02:18:31,190 --> 02:18:29,120
i met travis and as a kid that was like

3374
02:18:33,270 --> 02:18:31,200
a really important like case to me

3375
02:18:36,469 --> 02:18:33,280
but i guess that's not really what you

3376
02:18:37,750 --> 02:18:36,479
i'm trying to think about a case that

3377
02:18:40,230 --> 02:18:37,760
i can't think one of the top my head

3378
02:18:43,030 --> 02:18:40,240
honestly that but i know i have been

3379
02:18:46,230 --> 02:18:43,040
disappointed probably so many times well

3380
02:18:49,270 --> 02:18:46,240
one of the reactions uh from many

3381
02:18:51,589 --> 02:18:49,280
veteran researchers that repeated itself

3382
02:18:53,830 --> 02:18:51,599
around this travis walton thing which

3383
02:18:55,349 --> 02:18:53,840
has completely gone away like it should

3384
02:18:57,750 --> 02:18:55,359
have but right

3385
02:19:00,709 --> 02:18:57,760
um i was reading these comments well i

3386
02:19:03,270 --> 02:19:00,719
had some conversations if travis walton

3387
02:19:05,429 --> 02:19:03,280
is a hoax i'm walking away

3388
02:19:07,190 --> 02:19:05,439
right right i'm done i'm done that's

3389
02:19:09,190 --> 02:19:07,200
right that's it that's it

3390
02:19:11,509 --> 02:19:09,200
yeah i i mean i love the travis swan

3391
02:19:13,349 --> 02:19:11,519
case i like travis i met him like 20

3392
02:19:15,190 --> 02:19:13,359
years ago and he like i was like a kid a

3393
02:19:16,389 --> 02:19:15,200
dumb kid and he like sat down and talked

3394
02:19:17,270 --> 02:19:16,399
me like

3395
02:19:19,110 --> 02:19:17,280
you know

3396
02:19:22,549 --> 02:19:19,120
for like 30 minutes and i just mean it

3397
02:19:24,790 --> 02:19:22,559
was so meaningful to me you know like

3398
02:19:26,230 --> 02:19:24,800
so yeah you know i like travis man i

3399
02:19:27,509 --> 02:19:26,240
think i think it's a good case i like

3400
02:19:29,589 --> 02:19:27,519
the case i've been a fan of it for a

3401
02:19:31,270 --> 02:19:29,599
long time and you know and i i i haven't

3402
02:19:33,110 --> 02:19:31,280
seen anything that tells me it's a

3403
02:19:34,629 --> 02:19:33,120
clear-cut hoax at all you know and i

3404
02:19:36,230 --> 02:19:34,639
don't know what the new controversy is

3405
02:19:38,950 --> 02:19:36,240
it doesn't matter

3406
02:19:40,790 --> 02:19:38,960
that case has uh been out there for 40

3407
02:19:43,349 --> 02:19:40,800
years and

3408
02:19:46,629 --> 02:19:43,359
every opportunity uh

3409
02:19:49,750 --> 02:19:46,639
has been made to strike that case down

3410
02:19:51,750 --> 02:19:49,760
um and it has stayed on its own

3411
02:19:53,670 --> 02:19:51,760
this is the thing

3412
02:19:56,230 --> 02:19:53,680
um and i wanted to ask you about this

3413
02:19:59,030 --> 02:19:56,240
the ufo community has

3414
02:20:00,070 --> 02:19:59,040
a really strange ability

3415
02:20:03,349 --> 02:20:00,080
to

3416
02:20:05,910 --> 02:20:03,359
call bs on its own they will do it man

3417
02:20:08,230 --> 02:20:05,920
they want stuff to

3418
02:20:11,270 --> 02:20:08,240
to be strong to be supported

3419
02:20:14,790 --> 02:20:11,280
right there's no room for bs here and if

3420
02:20:16,550 --> 02:20:14,800
you if you dance in the bs zone

3421
02:20:17,910 --> 02:20:16,560
you're done you're going to get found

3422
02:20:20,150 --> 02:20:17,920
out right

3423
02:20:20,950 --> 02:20:20,160
you will i mean i i don't yeah i don't

3424
02:20:23,110 --> 02:20:20,960
think

3425
02:20:25,030 --> 02:20:23,120
you can perpetuate a hoax that long i

3426
02:20:26,550 --> 02:20:25,040
think i think especially with this

3427
02:20:29,590 --> 02:20:26,560
community like in the you know people

3428
02:20:30,710 --> 02:20:29,600
who are into ufos they are not

3429
02:20:32,790 --> 02:20:30,720
people who are into your post are not

3430
02:20:35,190 --> 02:20:32,800
casual about their their love of this

3431
02:20:37,270 --> 02:20:35,200
stuff they will like

3432
02:20:38,790 --> 02:20:37,280
research it they'll check like military

3433
02:20:40,230 --> 02:20:38,800
records they'll check like where are

3434
02:20:42,950 --> 02:20:40,240
they actually at the location they do

3435
02:20:44,550 --> 02:20:42,960
like real detective work i do myself one

3436
02:20:46,389 --> 02:20:44,560
because it's really fun too it's very

3437
02:20:48,870 --> 02:20:46,399
interesting and but like

3438
02:20:52,230 --> 02:20:48,880
i don't think it's easy it would be easy

3439
02:20:53,990 --> 02:20:52,240
to hoax a ufo

3440
02:20:55,830 --> 02:20:54,000
like something as dramatic as travis

3441
02:20:57,670 --> 02:20:55,840
walton there would have to be so many

3442
02:20:59,270 --> 02:20:57,680
people involved there would have to be

3443
02:21:02,469 --> 02:20:59,280
so many you know it would have to be

3444
02:21:03,910 --> 02:21:02,479
like choreographed so perfectly yeah i'm

3445
02:21:05,429 --> 02:21:03,920
not saying i'm not saying it couldn't be

3446
02:21:06,950 --> 02:21:05,439
but i'm just saying like it wouldn't be

3447
02:21:08,630 --> 02:21:06,960
easy and these guys were like loggers

3448
02:21:10,870 --> 02:21:08,640
back in the 70s or whatever i'm like it

3449
02:21:12,309 --> 02:21:10,880
just seems like a little unlikely to me

3450
02:21:13,590 --> 02:21:12,319
that travis walton didn't experience

3451
02:21:15,030 --> 02:21:13,600
something i don't know what he

3452
02:21:16,469 --> 02:21:15,040
experienced but i believe that he

3453
02:21:18,870 --> 02:21:16,479
believed he experienced something yeah

3454
02:21:21,270 --> 02:21:18,880
yeah you can't sustain a hoax for 40

3455
02:21:23,429 --> 02:21:21,280
years i mean yeah that's uh

3456
02:21:26,630 --> 02:21:23,439
that's the only way to look at it when

3457
02:21:27,590 --> 02:21:26,640
um uh right and and you know i mean like

3458
02:21:30,309 --> 02:21:27,600
i mean like

3459
02:21:32,150 --> 02:21:30,319
you know part of me like likes john lear

3460
02:21:34,469 --> 02:21:32,160
as like a character in the whole in the

3461
02:21:36,070 --> 02:21:34,479
ufo world just because he's so eccentric

3462
02:21:37,910 --> 02:21:36,080
and like was so part of like the 80s

3463
02:21:40,150 --> 02:21:37,920
when i when i was growing up in the ufo

3464
02:21:41,590 --> 02:21:40,160
i you know like i read about him but

3465
02:21:42,469 --> 02:21:41,600
he's

3466
02:21:44,630 --> 02:21:42,479
not

3467
02:21:47,190 --> 02:21:44,640
on the up and up in terms of the stuff

3468
02:21:49,510 --> 02:21:47,200
he puts out so you also have to remember

3469
02:21:52,070 --> 02:21:49,520
john lear was one of the guys

3470
02:21:54,710 --> 02:21:52,080
surrounding the area 51 you know bob

3471
02:21:57,270 --> 02:21:54,720
lazar story so already i mean you know

3472
02:21:59,590 --> 02:21:57,280
that's suspect to me too you know okay

3473
02:22:02,070 --> 02:21:59,600
but here's the thing with john

3474
02:22:04,309 --> 02:22:02,080
and and i love john and some of you i do

3475
02:22:07,830 --> 02:22:04,319
too like i think he's great some of his

3476
02:22:11,349 --> 02:22:07,840
interviews i have hung on every word and

3477
02:22:13,110 --> 02:22:11,359
watch them over and over and over again

3478
02:22:16,469 --> 02:22:13,120
this is the thing

3479
02:22:19,030 --> 02:22:16,479
dude was a pilot for the cia

3480
02:22:20,790 --> 02:22:19,040
running guns and drugs out of lebanon

3481
02:22:22,309 --> 02:22:20,800
right or whatever i'm making that up i

3482
02:22:25,750 --> 02:22:22,319
don't know about the drugs no but he was

3483
02:22:27,590 --> 02:22:25,760
a cia like he was truly and he's right

3484
02:22:28,790 --> 02:22:27,600
his family and his heritage and the

3485
02:22:32,389 --> 02:22:28,800
learjet

3486
02:22:34,070 --> 02:22:32,399
all of that is is an amazing life and an

3487
02:22:39,590 --> 02:22:34,080
amazing career

3488
02:22:41,910 --> 02:22:39,600
um and so his his ability to think

3489
02:22:44,950 --> 02:22:41,920
differently and to jump into this

3490
02:22:46,550 --> 02:22:44,960
subject and use that that magnificent

3491
02:22:48,309 --> 02:22:46,560
mind of his

3492
02:22:50,550 --> 02:22:48,319
to to look at things a little bit

3493
02:22:53,830 --> 02:22:50,560
differently i appreciate it

3494
02:22:54,550 --> 02:22:53,840
um bigfoot antennas on the moon ah

3495
02:22:57,990 --> 02:22:54,560
you know

3496
02:22:59,910 --> 02:22:58,000
giant soul catchers on the moon yeah i

3497
02:23:02,710 --> 02:22:59,920
don't know about all that but it

3498
02:23:05,750 --> 02:23:02,720
certainly uh caused uh for some great

3499
02:23:07,510 --> 02:23:05,760
nights of uh me thinking about things

3500
02:23:09,590 --> 02:23:07,520
and and and

3501
02:23:12,070 --> 02:23:09,600
so uh now i need to take a break so

3502
02:23:14,630 --> 02:23:12,080
let's go into overtime let's do that now

3503
02:23:15,750 --> 02:23:14,640
that we offended half of our audience

3504
02:23:18,790 --> 02:23:15,760
but uh

3505
02:23:22,950 --> 02:23:18,800
uh let's uh let's keep this going boom

3506
02:23:25,429 --> 02:23:22,960
you know i can't get uh it's hot in here

3507
02:23:27,830 --> 02:23:25,439
but uh steve berg uh you don't you don't

3508
02:23:29,750 --> 02:23:27,840
get ruffled

3509
02:23:31,429 --> 02:23:29,760
you don't get flappable that's what i'm

3510
02:23:32,870 --> 02:23:31,439
talking about let's take our break right

3511
02:23:35,190 --> 02:23:32,880
here this is fade to black our guest

3512
02:23:37,190 --> 02:23:35,200
tonight steve berg we're going to

3513
02:23:40,790 --> 02:23:37,200
continue this conversation the good part

3514
02:23:43,030 --> 02:23:40,800
is uh steve when i go into overtime

3515
02:23:45,030 --> 02:23:43,040
we tend to loosen up

3516
02:23:47,110 --> 02:23:45,040
right but but haven't we done that

3517
02:23:50,389 --> 02:23:47,120
already i've been i've

3518
02:23:52,309 --> 02:23:50,399
you you make me loosey-goosey baby

3519
02:23:53,610 --> 02:23:52,319
more with steve when we come back stay

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02:24:12,710 --> 02:23:53,620
with us

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02:28:01,349 --> 02:27:57,030
this is fade to black what a great

3588
02:28:04,070 --> 02:28:03,110
here's the deal

3589
02:28:09,670 --> 02:28:04,080
and

3590
02:28:12,150 --> 02:28:09,680
things are developing

3591
02:28:16,550 --> 02:28:12,160
is the government our friend are they

3592
02:28:18,150 --> 02:28:16,560
really on our side right now steve

3593
02:28:20,950 --> 02:28:18,160
i mean

3594
02:28:23,670 --> 02:28:20,960
loaded question um

3595
02:28:25,349 --> 02:28:23,680
oh god i mean

3596
02:28:27,830 --> 02:28:25,359
look i don't think there's like a lot of

3597
02:28:29,590 --> 02:28:27,840
grand conspiracies but i don't think

3598
02:28:32,309 --> 02:28:29,600
they always have our best interest at

3599
02:28:33,990 --> 02:28:32,319
heart simply because i i'm you know

3600
02:28:35,190 --> 02:28:34,000
with without getting overly political i

3601
02:28:36,550 --> 02:28:35,200
think like

3602
02:28:38,309 --> 02:28:36,560
corporate

3603
02:28:40,150 --> 02:28:38,319
corporations sort of run are more

3604
02:28:41,270 --> 02:28:40,160
powerful than the oval office from the

3605
02:28:42,070 --> 02:28:41,280
pentagon

3606
02:28:43,510 --> 02:28:42,080
um

3607
02:28:44,790 --> 02:28:43,520
and i don't think corporations have our

3608
02:28:46,630 --> 02:28:44,800
best interests at heart so maybe

3609
02:28:48,550 --> 02:28:46,640
therefore i don't think they do

3610
02:28:50,550 --> 02:28:48,560
is that make sense that's the way my way

3611
02:28:53,750 --> 02:28:50,560
of talking around i suppose yeah that

3612
02:28:58,070 --> 02:28:53,760
that that was actually a political dance

3613
02:29:00,309 --> 02:28:58,080
why why do you think suddenly they

3614
02:29:02,870 --> 02:29:00,319
it appears

3615
02:29:06,150 --> 02:29:02,880
uh that there's some kind of mutual

3616
02:29:08,469 --> 02:29:06,160
cooperation and they want to discuss

3617
02:29:09,830 --> 02:29:08,479
this there's a reason for it why do you

3618
02:29:13,349 --> 02:29:09,840
think that is

3619
02:29:15,429 --> 02:29:13,359
well you know i mean it seems like

3620
02:29:17,429 --> 02:29:15,439
that

3621
02:29:19,910 --> 02:29:17,439
without i mean okay

3622
02:29:21,510 --> 02:29:19,920
to me like you know just like even even

3623
02:29:23,670 --> 02:29:21,520
as a person who wouldn't be into this

3624
02:29:26,630 --> 02:29:23,680
topic i would think because maybe

3625
02:29:27,750 --> 02:29:26,640
there's an inevitability that it's going

3626
02:29:29,510 --> 02:29:27,760
to become

3627
02:29:31,349 --> 02:29:29,520
abundantly clear to everyone and they're

3628
02:29:33,590 --> 02:29:31,359
just trying to get ahead ahead of the

3629
02:29:35,110 --> 02:29:33,600
story or they think another country is

3630
02:29:37,190 --> 02:29:35,120
going to come out with it so they're

3631
02:29:38,790 --> 02:29:37,200
trying to get ahead of it or

3632
02:29:40,070 --> 02:29:38,800
they are trying to

3633
02:29:41,910 --> 02:29:40,080
re

3634
02:29:44,309 --> 02:29:41,920
trying to get control

3635
02:29:46,150 --> 02:29:44,319
of the subject in a new way

3636
02:29:48,469 --> 02:29:46,160
right because if they come out with it

3637
02:29:51,270 --> 02:29:48,479
now and they're just basically kind of

3638
02:29:52,790 --> 02:29:51,280
dealing with the ufo problem from 2004

3639
02:29:54,710 --> 02:29:52,800
and beyond

3640
02:29:57,030 --> 02:29:54,720
it's because right now it seems like

3641
02:29:59,510 --> 02:29:57,040
they're sort of rewriting a bit of ufo

3642
02:30:01,670 --> 02:29:59,520
history by ignoring everything else and

3643
02:30:02,870 --> 02:30:01,680
that really annoys me so

3644
02:30:04,469 --> 02:30:02,880
so much

3645
02:30:06,950 --> 02:30:04,479
so

3646
02:30:08,389 --> 02:30:06,960
i think in a way it might be to try to

3647
02:30:11,190 --> 02:30:08,399
gain a new

3648
02:30:13,030 --> 02:30:11,200
what new kind of control over it

3649
02:30:14,710 --> 02:30:13,040
maybe i don't think it's because we're

3650
02:30:16,710 --> 02:30:14,720
like hey you know what everyone deserves

3651
02:30:18,790 --> 02:30:16,720
to know about what's going on with ufos

3652
02:30:20,309 --> 02:30:18,800
i don't think it's that really right do

3653
02:30:21,990 --> 02:30:20,319
you i mean like do you think that the

3654
02:30:23,590 --> 02:30:22,000
government's just really like guys

3655
02:30:25,429 --> 02:30:23,600
they've been super patient i think maybe

3656
02:30:26,630 --> 02:30:25,439
it's time we told them what's going on

3657
02:30:29,590 --> 02:30:26,640
like

3658
02:30:32,150 --> 02:30:29,600
right and uh

3659
02:30:34,309 --> 02:30:32,160
and here we have at the same time your

3660
02:30:39,750 --> 02:30:34,319
video feed froze

3661
02:30:42,389 --> 02:30:39,760
right when we're talking about now your

3662
02:30:43,510 --> 02:30:42,399
audio's fine and my audio's fine but

3663
02:30:45,510 --> 02:30:43,520
both

3664
02:30:46,630 --> 02:30:45,520
video feeds froze on two separate

3665
02:30:49,429 --> 02:30:46,640
computers

3666
02:30:53,349 --> 02:30:49,439
they are watching and and and i'm okay

3667
02:30:56,150 --> 02:30:53,359
with that yeah and then we throw in uh

3668
02:30:57,349 --> 02:30:56,160
another wrench in this and that is avi

3669
02:30:58,150 --> 02:30:57,359
loeb

3670
02:31:00,630 --> 02:30:58,160
and

3671
02:31:03,190 --> 02:31:00,640
uh avi was a huge

3672
02:31:05,190 --> 02:31:03,200
uh conversation piece at the conference

3673
02:31:07,990 --> 02:31:05,200
this weekend everybody wanted to talk

3674
02:31:09,590 --> 02:31:08,000
about avi and wanted my opinion about

3675
02:31:12,389 --> 02:31:09,600
what is going on

3676
02:31:14,070 --> 02:31:12,399
because we're dealing with so many

3677
02:31:16,230 --> 02:31:14,080
different things happening at the same

3678
02:31:18,550 --> 02:31:16,240
time about this subject

3679
02:31:21,510 --> 02:31:18,560
and we are also forced into a

3680
02:31:23,429 --> 02:31:21,520
conversation about avi loeb and and

3681
02:31:26,070 --> 02:31:23,439
and what is going on there with this

3682
02:31:28,150 --> 02:31:26,080
sudden i mean harvard this is harvard

3683
02:31:31,349 --> 02:31:28,160
yeah this guy's no joke yeah he's not a

3684
02:31:34,070 --> 02:31:31,359
joke um we have that element too to deal

3685
02:31:36,070 --> 02:31:34,080
with how are you processing that

3686
02:31:38,469 --> 02:31:36,080
uh i actually

3687
02:31:41,990 --> 02:31:38,479
you know to me that is every bit as

3688
02:31:44,309 --> 02:31:42,000
exciting as um in some ways more

3689
02:31:47,510 --> 02:31:44,319
exciting than you know the new york

3690
02:31:50,230 --> 02:31:47,520
times article because

3691
02:31:51,590 --> 02:31:50,240
this guy was actually theorizing you

3692
02:31:54,550 --> 02:31:51,600
know about what this stuff could be what

3693
02:31:56,950 --> 02:31:54,560
this could be and he and he was like

3694
02:31:59,510 --> 02:31:56,960
look at this thing it's massive it looks

3695
02:32:01,750 --> 02:31:59,520
like a structured like rock

3696
02:32:03,510 --> 02:32:01,760
and it doesn't behave like an asteroid

3697
02:32:04,790 --> 02:32:03,520
or a meteor or anything that you know

3698
02:32:07,110 --> 02:32:04,800
space junk

3699
02:32:08,630 --> 02:32:07,120
and this is a bonafide guy who's not

3700
02:32:09,349 --> 02:32:08,640
related to the government who i don't

3701
02:32:11,030 --> 02:32:09,359
see

3702
02:32:14,070 --> 02:32:11,040
would have any kind of upside or

3703
02:32:15,590 --> 02:32:14,080
interest in dis informing us right

3704
02:32:17,510 --> 02:32:15,600
where you can always find a reason why

3705
02:32:18,790 --> 02:32:17,520
the government like i think you can kind

3706
02:32:21,110 --> 02:32:18,800
of always even if you're not like a big

3707
02:32:22,469 --> 02:32:21,120
conspiratorial person you could always

3708
02:32:24,070 --> 02:32:22,479
kind of see how

3709
02:32:25,910 --> 02:32:24,080
the government would benefit from

3710
02:32:28,309 --> 02:32:25,920
disinforming us about things i mean they

3711
02:32:29,110 --> 02:32:28,319
tested gonorrhea on people for like 10

3712
02:32:31,110 --> 02:32:29,120
years

3713
02:32:32,950 --> 02:32:31,120
and you know like obama was like yeah by

3714
02:32:34,469 --> 02:32:32,960
the way in the 40s we tested gonorrhea

3715
02:32:35,590 --> 02:32:34,479
on you guys sorry about that so i mean

3716
02:32:40,550 --> 02:32:35,600
like

3717
02:32:43,830 --> 02:32:40,560
more than i trust the government about

3718
02:32:46,950 --> 02:32:43,840
ufos i guess and and avi

3719
02:32:48,070 --> 02:32:46,960
there's another part to him and i think

3720
02:32:54,150 --> 02:32:48,080
that

3721
02:32:55,590 --> 02:32:54,160
understand where avi is coming from from

3722
02:32:56,870 --> 02:32:55,600
whatever side of the fence you're on

3723
02:32:59,030 --> 02:32:56,880
with avi

3724
02:33:02,230 --> 02:32:59,040
is read his book

3725
02:33:04,469 --> 02:33:02,240
and certainly go back and look at his

3726
02:33:06,230 --> 02:33:04,479
history because he didn't just pop up

3727
02:33:08,389 --> 02:33:06,240
with omua

3728
02:33:10,550 --> 02:33:08,399
he has been talking about this for a

3729
02:33:13,030 --> 02:33:10,560
very long time

3730
02:33:14,469 --> 02:33:13,040
and and i think he jumped on the

3731
02:33:17,670 --> 02:33:14,479
opportunity

3732
02:33:20,550 --> 02:33:17,680
uh to to get this out there and to uh

3733
02:33:22,790 --> 02:33:20,560
start talking about this now but he's

3734
02:33:25,830 --> 02:33:22,800
been at this for a very long time this

3735
02:33:28,870 --> 02:33:25,840
wasn't some overnight uh revelation that

3736
02:33:31,190 --> 02:33:28,880
he had and he's springing this out on us

3737
02:33:33,710 --> 02:33:31,200
no he's been looking at

3738
02:33:35,830 --> 02:33:33,720
the universe and

3739
02:33:36,790 --> 02:33:35,840
astrophysics and

3740
02:33:37,670 --> 02:33:36,800
uh

3741
02:33:44,150 --> 02:33:37,680
the

3742
02:33:45,670 --> 02:33:44,160
it has has to have been going on for a

3743
02:33:46,950 --> 02:33:45,680
very long time

3744
02:33:49,510 --> 02:33:46,960
um but

3745
02:33:51,910 --> 02:33:49,520
now let's swing it around there's the

3746
02:33:55,110 --> 02:33:51,920
government there's avi

3747
02:33:55,910 --> 02:33:55,120
and then there's lou elizondo

3748
02:33:56,790 --> 02:33:55,920
and

3749
02:34:03,429 --> 02:33:56,800
does

3750
02:34:06,630 --> 02:34:03,439
he represent the department of defense

3751
02:34:10,309 --> 02:34:06,640
or is he just completely rogue

3752
02:34:11,990 --> 02:34:10,319
and and is you know running uh looking

3753
02:34:14,389 --> 02:34:12,000
over his shoulder

3754
02:34:16,950 --> 02:34:14,399
man that is a great question and i have

3755
02:34:18,950 --> 02:34:16,960
to admit i don't think i really

3756
02:34:21,990 --> 02:34:18,960
fully have formed

3757
02:34:23,910 --> 02:34:22,000
uh an opinion about the wells on it like

3758
02:34:26,150 --> 02:34:23,920
i watch his interviews and i you know i

3759
02:34:28,309 --> 02:34:26,160
i have to admit i don't follow the

3760
02:34:30,150 --> 02:34:28,319
disclosure thing like

3761
02:34:32,309 --> 02:34:30,160
my interests are probably more reading

3762
02:34:34,550 --> 02:34:32,319
about strange cases you know like that's

3763
02:34:36,389 --> 02:34:34,560
really like floats my vote so in terms

3764
02:34:38,150 --> 02:34:36,399
of but you know i do follow it probably

3765
02:34:40,150 --> 02:34:38,160
more than the average guy and

3766
02:34:42,230 --> 02:34:40,160
i mean lou in the interview seems very

3767
02:34:43,590 --> 02:34:42,240
genuine he seems like he's like a good

3768
02:34:45,990 --> 02:34:43,600
dude you know we served our country

3769
02:34:47,830 --> 02:34:46,000
that's real cool but he is wasn't he

3770
02:34:49,429 --> 02:34:47,840
encounter intelligence

3771
02:34:51,349 --> 02:34:49,439
uh yes

3772
02:34:54,550 --> 02:34:51,359
so i mean

3773
02:34:56,790 --> 02:34:54,560
if there's anyone who would be

3774
02:34:59,670 --> 02:34:56,800
qualified to disinform the public it

3775
02:35:02,150 --> 02:34:59,680
would be a guy like him so i'm not

3776
02:35:04,870 --> 02:35:02,160
saying he is at all i mean i have no

3777
02:35:06,389 --> 02:35:04,880
idea i don't have any like real opinion

3778
02:35:07,990 --> 02:35:06,399
on it but i'm just like putting these

3779
02:35:10,309 --> 02:35:08,000
thoughts out there like

3780
02:35:11,990 --> 02:35:10,319
i don't think you know because what he's

3781
02:35:14,230 --> 02:35:12,000
saying is is kind of anecdotal he's like

3782
02:35:16,550 --> 02:35:14,240
this is what i know this is what i saw

3783
02:35:18,070 --> 02:35:16,560
but he can't other than like the videos

3784
02:35:20,790 --> 02:35:18,080
that are being released

3785
02:35:22,950 --> 02:35:20,800
he's not really backed much up unless

3786
02:35:24,389 --> 02:35:22,960
i'm unless i'm unaware of it no you're

3787
02:35:28,469 --> 02:35:24,399
right about that

3788
02:35:31,990 --> 02:35:28,479
and here's here's the rub for me

3789
02:35:33,670 --> 02:35:32,000
obviously i have a relationship with lou

3790
02:35:36,150 --> 02:35:33,680
okay

3791
02:35:38,830 --> 02:35:36,160
but i'm also not stupid

3792
02:35:42,070 --> 02:35:38,840
yeah so his background is

3793
02:35:45,830 --> 02:35:42,080
counterintelligence and if anybody is

3794
02:35:49,190 --> 02:35:45,840
going to have the ability uh to

3795
02:35:50,870 --> 02:35:49,200
uh mess with me it would be lou

3796
02:35:54,230 --> 02:35:50,880
yeah and

3797
02:35:56,230 --> 02:35:54,240
here it is i'm just gonna be straight up

3798
02:35:58,230 --> 02:35:56,240
he's really good at it

3799
02:35:59,270 --> 02:35:58,240
because i'm buying what he's selling

3800
02:36:02,469 --> 02:35:59,280
right now

3801
02:36:03,750 --> 02:36:02,479
yeah and and now could it be in the

3802
02:36:04,790 --> 02:36:03,760
future

3803
02:36:07,590 --> 02:36:04,800
uh

3804
02:36:09,110 --> 02:36:07,600
that i got all of this wrong no i'm

3805
02:36:10,230 --> 02:36:09,120
squinty-eyed

3806
02:36:16,389 --> 02:36:10,240
and

3807
02:36:18,469 --> 02:36:16,399
right now i've had with lou

3808
02:36:19,270 --> 02:36:18,479
i have to have this conversation with

3809
02:36:20,389 --> 02:36:19,280
lou

3810
02:36:22,389 --> 02:36:20,399
i have to

3811
02:36:23,830 --> 02:36:22,399
and

3812
02:36:24,710 --> 02:36:23,840
you got to put all your cards on the

3813
02:36:26,950 --> 02:36:24,720
table

3814
02:36:29,830 --> 02:36:26,960
um the thing is

3815
02:36:33,110 --> 02:36:29,840
is that lou's goal

3816
02:36:35,750 --> 02:36:33,120
and my goal are the same thing

3817
02:36:38,870 --> 02:36:35,760
right right trying to get information

3818
02:36:40,309 --> 02:36:38,880
out of the government trying to get this

3819
02:36:42,950 --> 02:36:40,319
discussed

3820
02:36:45,110 --> 02:36:42,960
trying to get this out in the open all

3821
02:36:46,070 --> 02:36:45,120
right so that's the goal

3822
02:36:48,630 --> 02:36:46,080
now

3823
02:36:50,790 --> 02:36:48,640
some of the things that

3824
02:36:51,750 --> 02:36:50,800
i think the approaches are completely

3825
02:36:54,790 --> 02:36:51,760
different

3826
02:36:56,150 --> 02:36:54,800
but uh like i said at the conference uh

3827
02:36:58,389 --> 02:36:56,160
this weekend

3828
02:36:59,590 --> 02:36:58,399
i've said it on the show but that is

3829
02:37:00,710 --> 02:36:59,600
this

3830
02:37:03,510 --> 02:37:00,720
our

3831
02:37:06,230 --> 02:37:03,520
goal cannot be steve

3832
02:37:09,030 --> 02:37:06,240
to sit on our hands and let the

3833
02:37:10,070 --> 02:37:09,040
government control this narrative

3834
02:37:13,349 --> 02:37:10,080
no

3835
02:37:15,830 --> 02:37:13,359
the government works for us

3836
02:37:18,950 --> 02:37:15,840
it's not the other way around

3837
02:37:21,990 --> 02:37:18,960
and what we have to do is keep the

3838
02:37:25,190 --> 02:37:22,000
pressure on keep our foot on the neck of

3839
02:37:27,830 --> 02:37:25,200
washington dc and don't let him up right

3840
02:37:29,830 --> 02:37:27,840
now we're in that position but we can't

3841
02:37:32,630 --> 02:37:29,840
relax on that

3842
02:37:34,550 --> 02:37:32,640
right and like my question is because i

3843
02:37:36,150 --> 02:37:34,560
don't i just don't understand how we do

3844
02:37:37,270 --> 02:37:36,160
that

3845
02:37:38,630 --> 02:37:37,280
like how we put pressure on the

3846
02:37:40,309 --> 02:37:38,640
government and actually have them take

3847
02:37:41,830 --> 02:37:40,319
us seriously because i mean like because

3848
02:37:44,150 --> 02:37:41,840
people have been clamoring for ufo

3849
02:37:47,910 --> 02:37:44,160
disclosure before i was born

3850
02:37:50,710 --> 02:37:47,920
and they haven't given you know uh

3851
02:37:52,230 --> 02:37:50,720
oh uh you know given uh given the care i

3852
02:37:53,990 --> 02:37:52,240
don't know i'm trying to censor myself

3853
02:37:55,030 --> 02:37:54,000
uh they haven't really cared what we've

3854
02:37:57,110 --> 02:37:55,040
thought and they've just been like yeah

3855
02:37:59,110 --> 02:37:57,120
you want to know about ufos well tough

3856
02:38:00,389 --> 02:37:59,120
cookie you know you're not gonna get it

3857
02:38:02,389 --> 02:38:00,399
so

3858
02:38:05,510 --> 02:38:02,399
i i guess i don't i in terms of applying

3859
02:38:07,590 --> 02:38:05,520
pressure absolutely i want them i want

3860
02:38:09,670 --> 02:38:07,600
all their data i want to know what they

3861
02:38:11,429 --> 02:38:09,680
know about contactees you know i want to

3862
02:38:12,870 --> 02:38:11,439
know everything i want no i want to see

3863
02:38:14,469 --> 02:38:12,880
crash retrieval i want to see you know

3864
02:38:16,790 --> 02:38:14,479
alien bodies or whatever

3865
02:38:19,190 --> 02:38:16,800
but i'm not sure unless it's like

3866
02:38:20,790 --> 02:38:19,200
someone with extreme political power but

3867
02:38:22,630 --> 02:38:20,800
like look i mean chris mellon he's a

3868
02:38:24,150 --> 02:38:22,640
pretty connected guy how much has he

3869
02:38:27,030 --> 02:38:24,160
been able to do how much has john

3870
02:38:28,389 --> 02:38:27,040
podesta been able to do so that makes me

3871
02:38:30,469 --> 02:38:28,399
kind of cynical about the whole thing

3872
02:38:32,469 --> 02:38:30,479
where i'm like i don't know what i can

3873
02:38:33,830 --> 02:38:32,479
do other than like you know cheerlead

3874
02:38:36,790 --> 02:38:33,840
people

3875
02:38:39,990 --> 02:38:36,800
right well if we go back and you're 100

3876
02:38:42,710 --> 02:38:40,000
correct on that and if we go back to the

3877
02:38:44,309 --> 02:38:42,720
efforts of uh gerald ford you know in

3878
02:38:45,190 --> 02:38:44,319
the late 60s

3879
02:38:48,550 --> 02:38:45,200
and

3880
02:38:51,429 --> 02:38:48,560
the progress that was apparently made

3881
02:38:53,750 --> 02:38:51,439
and then stonewalled right okay right

3882
02:38:56,790 --> 02:38:53,760
we haven't had anything since

3883
02:38:58,710 --> 02:38:56,800
yeah everything that has happened uh the

3884
02:39:01,110 --> 02:38:58,720
general accounting office and their

3885
02:39:02,389 --> 02:39:01,120
report on roswell and

3886
02:39:05,590 --> 02:39:02,399
and uh

3887
02:39:07,510 --> 02:39:05,600
and the other things that uh did surface

3888
02:39:10,150 --> 02:39:07,520
from washington dc

3889
02:39:12,790 --> 02:39:10,160
all pooh-poohed the subject there's

3890
02:39:14,870 --> 02:39:12,800
nothing to see here well now we found

3891
02:39:16,070 --> 02:39:14,880
out that there's a lot to see here and

3892
02:39:18,790 --> 02:39:16,080
that the

3893
02:39:20,870 --> 02:39:18,800
washington and the military has

3894
02:39:22,830 --> 02:39:20,880
definitely been looking into this

3895
02:39:24,389 --> 02:39:22,840
subject for sure

3896
02:39:28,309 --> 02:39:24,399
so

3897
02:39:29,510 --> 02:39:28,319
the efforts of the ufo community uh over

3898
02:39:31,750 --> 02:39:29,520
the last

3899
02:39:34,469 --> 02:39:31,760
70 years let's go back to roswell and

3900
02:39:36,630 --> 02:39:34,479
forward right a definitive date

3901
02:39:38,710 --> 02:39:36,640
for the last 70 years has been one thing

3902
02:39:40,550 --> 02:39:38,720
to steadfastly

3903
02:39:42,550 --> 02:39:40,560
pursue this subject

3904
02:39:45,590 --> 02:39:42,560
get at the information get at the data

3905
02:39:47,270 --> 02:39:45,600
talk to witnesses uh look at the videos

3906
02:39:49,990 --> 02:39:47,280
look at the

3907
02:39:52,950 --> 02:39:50,000
freedom of information act uh pressure

3908
02:39:54,950 --> 02:39:52,960
on the military keeping the question out

3909
02:39:56,070 --> 02:39:54,960
that can't waver

3910
02:39:59,510 --> 02:39:56,080
right

3911
02:40:02,950 --> 02:39:59,520
this is not the time we need to continue

3912
02:40:05,990 --> 02:40:02,960
our efforts as a ufo community to

3913
02:40:09,190 --> 02:40:06,000
keep the pressure on the government's

3914
02:40:11,510 --> 02:40:09,200
not our friend steve right and for us to

3915
02:40:14,790 --> 02:40:11,520
suddenly back up and go ah

3916
02:40:17,830 --> 02:40:14,800
the work's going to be done for us now

3917
02:40:20,309 --> 02:40:17,840
stop with that right yeah

3918
02:40:22,070 --> 02:40:20,319
well i i i totally agree i think

3919
02:40:24,790 --> 02:40:22,080
pro-activity

3920
02:40:26,950 --> 02:40:24,800
with this subject is vastly important

3921
02:40:28,950 --> 02:40:26,960
and i think i think i think it really

3922
02:40:30,710 --> 02:40:28,960
kind of works like this i think the

3923
02:40:31,750 --> 02:40:30,720
people who

3924
02:40:32,870 --> 02:40:31,760
you know

3925
02:40:35,510 --> 02:40:32,880
they're like

3926
02:40:38,309 --> 02:40:35,520
myself personally i sort of take myself

3927
02:40:39,190 --> 02:40:38,319
out of ufo activism in terms of like you

3928
02:40:40,630 --> 02:40:39,200
know

3929
02:40:42,469 --> 02:40:40,640
wanting the government's really because

3930
02:40:45,269 --> 02:40:42,479
i feel like it's it's

3931
02:40:47,349 --> 02:40:45,279
personally myself it feels pretty futile

3932
02:40:49,190 --> 02:40:47,359
but and so i mean like

3933
02:40:51,910 --> 02:40:49,200
but like look i am on the sidelines

3934
02:40:52,790 --> 02:40:51,920
cheering everyone on i really am like i

3935
02:40:54,309 --> 02:40:52,800
want

3936
02:40:55,830 --> 02:40:54,319
like the richard dolans of the world who

3937
02:40:58,230 --> 02:40:55,840
has been so dedicated to you know

3938
02:41:00,790 --> 02:40:58,240
getting disclosure i mean look

3939
02:41:03,269 --> 02:41:00,800
i root these guys on it's just i feel

3940
02:41:05,110 --> 02:41:03,279
like i can offer nothing towards helping

3941
02:41:06,630 --> 02:41:05,120
disclosure you know even as a comedian

3942
02:41:08,230 --> 02:41:06,640
like what are they going to do

3943
02:41:10,550 --> 02:41:08,240
i'm going to make it you know funny and

3944
02:41:12,870 --> 02:41:10,560
then it's going to be a joke

3945
02:41:15,110 --> 02:41:12,880
so i mean like i if i felt i could

3946
02:41:16,870 --> 02:41:15,120
contribute to ufo activism i actually

3947
02:41:18,630 --> 02:41:16,880
would i just don't know what my role

3948
02:41:22,870 --> 02:41:18,640
personally would be

3949
02:41:25,670 --> 02:41:22,880
right right and and i think that uh

3950
02:41:30,630 --> 02:41:29,030
it has to be like this

3951
02:41:33,269 --> 02:41:30,640
it has to be

3952
02:41:35,830 --> 02:41:33,279
there are some the witnesses that you

3953
02:41:37,429 --> 02:41:35,840
were talking about the contactees that

3954
02:41:41,269 --> 02:41:37,439
you were talking about

3955
02:41:42,550 --> 02:41:41,279
and their emotional investment into this

3956
02:41:45,269 --> 02:41:42,560
question

3957
02:41:48,550 --> 02:41:45,279
involves their relationship with friends

3958
02:41:51,269 --> 02:41:48,560
and family and co-workers and and all of

3959
02:41:53,349 --> 02:41:51,279
those elements that surround them

3960
02:41:56,469 --> 02:41:53,359
they for them

3961
02:41:58,870 --> 02:41:56,479
we need to get to these answers yeah we

3962
02:42:00,150 --> 02:41:58,880
have to do that i mean

3963
02:42:02,230 --> 02:42:00,160
it's there's

3964
02:42:05,750 --> 02:42:02,240
as a community we have to

3965
02:42:07,269 --> 02:42:05,760
uh not lose sight of a how we got here

3966
02:42:09,910 --> 02:42:07,279
and those out there that have been

3967
02:42:12,469 --> 02:42:09,920
screaming forever and not getting the

3968
02:42:16,230 --> 02:42:12,479
attention that they deserve

3969
02:42:19,190 --> 02:42:16,240
and if disclosure happens uh uh through

3970
02:42:21,030 --> 02:42:19,200
the government and that official right

3971
02:42:22,389 --> 02:42:21,040
that confirmation that you were talking

3972
02:42:26,150 --> 02:42:22,399
about earlier

3973
02:42:27,670 --> 02:42:26,160
that will allow everybody to remove that

3974
02:42:29,990 --> 02:42:27,680
distress

3975
02:42:31,510 --> 02:42:30,000
right out of their lives

3976
02:42:33,429 --> 02:42:31,520
you know when am i going to get that

3977
02:42:35,030 --> 02:42:33,439
vindicate when am i going to get my own

3978
02:42:37,349 --> 02:42:35,040
government to step in and start

3979
02:42:39,670 --> 02:42:37,359
supporting me on this right and and

3980
02:42:42,150 --> 02:42:39,680
that's what we need and that's that i'm

3981
02:42:43,590 --> 02:42:42,160
i'm going to stay right there steve yeah

3982
02:42:45,590 --> 02:42:43,600
yeah can i ask you a question just

3983
02:42:49,030 --> 02:42:45,600
because i'm curious about uh how you see

3984
02:42:53,750 --> 02:42:51,750
uh do you think

3985
02:42:55,269 --> 02:42:53,760
it look like let's say like we like next

3986
02:42:57,590 --> 02:42:55,279
friday this friday we are going to get

3987
02:42:59,269 --> 02:42:57,600
disclosure or confirmation

3988
02:43:00,870 --> 02:42:59,279
how many people in the ufo community

3989
02:43:01,750 --> 02:43:00,880
like what percentage do you think would

3990
02:43:03,670 --> 02:43:01,760
be like

3991
02:43:05,910 --> 02:43:03,680
this is bs now the government's trying

3992
02:43:07,670 --> 02:43:05,920
to spin it project bluebeam you know now

3993
02:43:09,670 --> 02:43:07,680
they're now they're double downing

3994
02:43:11,269 --> 02:43:09,680
either you know and double down the lie

3995
02:43:12,870 --> 02:43:11,279
like you you know there would be a

3996
02:43:14,389 --> 02:43:12,880
percentage of people who would not buy

3997
02:43:16,309 --> 02:43:14,399
it no matter what if it came from the

3998
02:43:17,269 --> 02:43:16,319
government well that's a you know you

3999
02:43:20,710 --> 02:43:17,279
and

4000
02:43:21,990 --> 02:43:20,720
be wrong in believing that because

4001
02:43:23,190 --> 02:43:22,000
they've been lied to you for so long

4002
02:43:24,950 --> 02:43:23,200
that's right i wouldn't blame them

4003
02:43:27,190 --> 02:43:24,960
that's right that's right and the answer

4004
02:43:28,070 --> 02:43:27,200
is not a cop-out the answer is an honest

4005
02:43:31,190 --> 02:43:28,080
one

4006
02:43:33,190 --> 02:43:31,200
you are always going to have those that

4007
02:43:36,550 --> 02:43:33,200
question everything you're right about

4008
02:43:40,070 --> 02:43:36,560
that that's it and we need that we need

4009
02:43:41,670 --> 02:43:40,080
to constantly put ourselves in check

4010
02:43:42,630 --> 02:43:41,680
so

4011
02:43:47,190 --> 02:43:42,640
look

4012
02:43:49,190 --> 02:43:47,200
when december uh 17th uh happened

4013
02:43:51,590 --> 02:43:49,200
when that moment happened

4014
02:43:53,990 --> 02:43:51,600
i had a huge sense of relief i almost

4015
02:43:57,030 --> 02:43:54,000
crashed my car to be honest with you

4016
02:44:00,309 --> 02:43:57,040
i was uh i was i was listening to kfi

4017
02:44:02,790 --> 02:44:00,319
talk radio uh a station that i'm on

4018
02:44:06,389 --> 02:44:02,800
and uh and i'm listening to and i hear

4019
02:44:10,630 --> 02:44:06,399
this report uh ufos are real we'll be

4020
02:44:15,910 --> 02:44:12,790
hold it now so anyway

4021
02:44:17,990 --> 02:44:15,920
um even with that huge sense of relief

4022
02:44:20,309 --> 02:44:18,000
there was a part of me and others in the

4023
02:44:21,750 --> 02:44:20,319
community was like you know hold on

4024
02:44:23,269 --> 02:44:21,760
that's cool

4025
02:44:26,230 --> 02:44:23,279
but why

4026
02:44:28,469 --> 02:44:26,240
and so we we have to have that we have

4027
02:44:31,510 --> 02:44:28,479
to have that that check and balance

4028
02:44:33,990 --> 02:44:31,520
so let's say that confirmation happens

4029
02:44:35,510 --> 02:44:34,000
you know that that moment is there

4030
02:44:37,110 --> 02:44:35,520
we need

4031
02:44:39,269 --> 02:44:37,120
there's going to be a lot of us that are

4032
02:44:41,190 --> 02:44:39,279
going to be pretty happy i'll be the

4033
02:44:44,230 --> 02:44:41,200
grand marshal in that parade i'll be in

4034
02:44:47,510 --> 02:44:44,240
the front car convertible you should be

4035
02:44:50,230 --> 02:44:47,520
too with a bright green e.t

4036
02:44:53,670 --> 02:44:50,240
feather boa you know

4037
02:44:56,710 --> 02:44:53,680
waving around i'll i'll be that guy but

4038
02:44:58,230 --> 02:44:56,720
we need those out there to go okay hold

4039
02:45:00,389 --> 02:44:58,240
on a minute

4040
02:45:03,110 --> 02:45:00,399
okay slow down

4041
02:45:04,309 --> 02:45:03,120
and and you need that you need that and

4042
02:45:10,150 --> 02:45:04,319
uh

4043
02:45:12,710 --> 02:45:10,160
is there ever a hundred percent all in

4044
02:45:14,870 --> 02:45:12,720
no the bell curve applies to just about

4045
02:45:16,150 --> 02:45:14,880
everything and certainly it will with

4046
02:45:17,110 --> 02:45:16,160
disclosure

4047
02:45:19,990 --> 02:45:17,120
right

4048
02:45:22,230 --> 02:45:20,000
you know like um i i also wondered this

4049
02:45:22,950 --> 02:45:22,240
too i think about this a lot like

4050
02:45:34,870 --> 02:45:22,960
i

4051
02:45:35,750 --> 02:45:34,880
beyond

4052
02:45:38,550 --> 02:45:35,760
but

4053
02:45:40,150 --> 02:45:38,560
i also wonder if after all these years

4054
02:45:42,630 --> 02:45:40,160
and after all these years of reverse

4055
02:45:44,950 --> 02:45:42,640
engineering things or trying to like you

4056
02:45:47,269 --> 02:45:44,960
know figure out what who who they are

4057
02:45:48,950 --> 02:45:47,279
what they are what they want they may

4058
02:45:50,070 --> 02:45:48,960
not know

4059
02:45:52,710 --> 02:45:50,080
what it is

4060
02:45:55,429 --> 02:45:52,720
i i am not convinced that the government

4061
02:45:56,550 --> 02:45:55,439
actually has any more idea idea of the

4062
02:45:58,870 --> 02:45:56,560
providence

4063
02:46:00,630 --> 02:45:58,880
of where these crafts come from or who

4064
02:46:02,790 --> 02:46:00,640
these beings are

4065
02:46:04,469 --> 02:46:02,800
than than you or i do

4066
02:46:05,910 --> 02:46:04,479
yeah like you know what i'm saying like

4067
02:46:07,830 --> 02:46:05,920
they still do like

4068
02:46:09,830 --> 02:46:07,840
what we don't know what this stuff means

4069
02:46:12,630 --> 02:46:09,840
you know still it's it's frustrating

4070
02:46:14,950 --> 02:46:12,640
them i wonder you know it did i've said

4071
02:46:16,790 --> 02:46:14,960
this so many times but i'm gonna say it

4072
02:46:20,389 --> 02:46:16,800
again right now uh

4073
02:46:21,510 --> 02:46:20,399
uh suclose um on the show giorgio a few

4074
02:46:24,309 --> 02:46:21,520
years ago

4075
02:46:25,830 --> 02:46:24,319
said one of the most profound statements

4076
02:46:28,950 --> 02:46:25,840
i've ever heard

4077
02:46:31,590 --> 02:46:28,960
and and it was this steve he said look

4078
02:46:32,710 --> 02:46:31,600
uh white house lawn right we keep going

4079
02:46:35,349 --> 02:46:32,720
back to that

4080
02:46:37,030 --> 02:46:35,359
uh that that vision

4081
02:46:39,990 --> 02:46:37,040
right the saucer lands

4082
02:46:41,910 --> 02:46:40,000
and we start communicating with et what

4083
02:46:43,990 --> 02:46:41,920
we will find out

4084
02:46:45,750 --> 02:46:44,000
is that all of us

4085
02:46:47,830 --> 02:46:45,760
every single one

4086
02:46:49,830 --> 02:46:47,840
were wrong

4087
02:46:51,030 --> 02:46:49,840
and that's you know what that right

4088
02:46:53,110 --> 02:46:51,040
there

4089
02:46:56,469 --> 02:46:53,120
is probably

4090
02:46:58,469 --> 02:46:56,479
correct i like that a lot that that one

4091
02:47:01,030 --> 02:46:58,479
it's a humble way of looking at two it

4092
02:47:02,550 --> 02:47:01,040
seems honest and accurate

4093
02:47:04,790 --> 02:47:02,560
i bet when

4094
02:47:06,790 --> 02:47:04,800
if we were to find out what it really is

4095
02:47:08,469 --> 02:47:06,800
i bet we would still not even understand

4096
02:47:11,429 --> 02:47:08,479
it i think like you know how valeta was

4097
02:47:12,790 --> 02:47:11,439
talking about he's like this is a very

4098
02:47:16,870 --> 02:47:12,800
complex

4099
02:47:19,269 --> 02:47:16,880
deep and layered subject you know like

4100
02:47:21,349 --> 02:47:19,279
brian greene

4101
02:47:24,630 --> 02:47:21,359
who i really enjoy

4102
02:47:26,630 --> 02:47:24,640
uh brian green said this uh uh during an

4103
02:47:28,070 --> 02:47:26,640
interview once and i've listened to it

4104
02:47:29,830 --> 02:47:28,080
over and over again

4105
02:47:32,230 --> 02:47:29,840
but it was

4106
02:47:34,469 --> 02:47:32,240
so cool for him to say this he goes so

4107
02:47:35,750 --> 02:47:34,479
you know we we hook up with e.t and we

4108
02:47:37,990 --> 02:47:35,760
start talking

4109
02:47:40,870 --> 02:47:38,000
and me as a physicist you know i'm

4110
02:47:42,309 --> 02:47:40,880
presenting physics to them and and

4111
02:47:44,550 --> 02:47:42,319
communicating

4112
02:47:48,469 --> 02:47:44,560
and he goes i wouldn't be surprised if

4113
02:47:51,269 --> 02:47:48,479
vt turns to me and goes

4114
02:47:53,110 --> 02:47:51,279
uh we gave up on physics a long time ago

4115
02:47:55,349 --> 02:47:53,120
math means nothing

4116
02:47:56,710 --> 02:47:55,359
and uh and

4117
02:48:00,469 --> 02:47:56,720
and uh

4118
02:48:02,309 --> 02:48:00,479
everything else is way beyond math

4119
02:48:03,190 --> 02:48:02,319
now think about that statement for a

4120
02:48:06,630 --> 02:48:03,200
second

4121
02:48:08,790 --> 02:48:06,640
right that makes a lot of sense

4122
02:48:12,790 --> 02:48:08,800
it does especially when you think about

4123
02:48:13,510 --> 02:48:12,800
like maybe ufos are more

4124
02:48:14,950 --> 02:48:13,520
are

4125
02:48:17,990 --> 02:48:14,960
maybe it's more important to look at

4126
02:48:19,590 --> 02:48:18,000
ufos not who is piloting them but what

4127
02:48:21,830 --> 02:48:19,600
it says about the nature of reality

4128
02:48:23,590 --> 02:48:21,840
itself right like i think like what

4129
02:48:25,269 --> 02:48:23,600
valet sometimes is trying to get to

4130
02:48:27,429 --> 02:48:25,279
without saying it is that like

4131
02:48:28,710 --> 02:48:27,439
this is a phenomenon that's a cultural

4132
02:48:29,590 --> 02:48:28,720
thermostat

4133
02:48:32,070 --> 02:48:29,600
that

4134
02:48:34,469 --> 02:48:32,080
has affected our evolution and may have

4135
02:48:35,590 --> 02:48:34,479
has perhaps played a part in how humans

4136
02:48:37,750 --> 02:48:35,600
have evolved

4137
02:48:39,269 --> 02:48:37,760
you know like and that's deep and like

4138
02:48:40,790 --> 02:48:39,279
what does that mean i'm still trying to

4139
02:48:42,070 --> 02:48:40,800
figure that out you know and he i think

4140
02:48:44,710 --> 02:48:42,080
he is too

4141
02:48:46,309 --> 02:48:44,720
so yeah like i think when when like you

4142
02:48:48,150 --> 02:48:46,319
were just referencing that guy said he's

4143
02:48:50,150 --> 02:48:48,160
like we were wrong

4144
02:48:53,830 --> 02:48:50,160
i tend to agree with that

4145
02:48:57,429 --> 02:48:53,840
well and uh and here we are right or at

4146
02:49:00,950 --> 02:48:57,439
the end of another year right 2021 is

4147
02:49:03,429 --> 02:49:00,960
clearly in our rear view mirror now

4148
02:49:07,590 --> 02:49:03,439
we've made some pretty dramatic steps

4149
02:49:09,750 --> 02:49:07,600
forward uh with the ufo question and et

4150
02:49:12,389 --> 02:49:09,760
and visitation and contact

4151
02:49:15,990 --> 02:49:12,399
uh i think that we can all

4152
02:49:17,510 --> 02:49:16,000
uh acknowledge we're in a tangible area

4153
02:49:19,190 --> 02:49:17,520
right where we can kind of reach out and

4154
02:49:22,150 --> 02:49:19,200
kind of feel

4155
02:49:25,429 --> 02:49:22,160
you know something tangible happening

4156
02:49:27,590 --> 02:49:25,439
is is 2022 the year

4157
02:49:31,110 --> 02:49:27,600
is is this it

4158
02:49:33,110 --> 02:49:31,120
i mean to me i would say no i i i i'm

4159
02:49:35,030 --> 02:49:33,120
not very hopeful about disclosure i mean

4160
02:49:36,710 --> 02:49:35,040
i want to be but like i just haven't

4161
02:49:38,309 --> 02:49:36,720
seen anything yet that we're gonna get

4162
02:49:39,590 --> 02:49:38,319
more i mean like i feel like the next

4163
02:49:41,510 --> 02:49:39,600
big drop

4164
02:49:43,349 --> 02:49:41,520
will be like another thing that's

4165
02:49:45,110 --> 02:49:43,359
tantamount to the tic tac

4166
02:49:46,870 --> 02:49:45,120
and to me i'll be excited about that for

4167
02:49:48,710 --> 02:49:46,880
five minutes and then i'll be on to

4168
02:49:51,190 --> 02:49:48,720
reading a book about fairy lore you know

4169
02:49:57,030 --> 02:49:53,670
that's a really good point how how do we

4170
02:49:59,910 --> 02:49:57,040
do that in in well certainly in the uh

4171
02:50:01,030 --> 02:49:59,920
uh 120 seconds that we have left in this

4172
02:50:03,190 --> 02:50:01,040
broadcast

4173
02:50:05,030 --> 02:50:03,200
but how do we keep

4174
02:50:07,349 --> 02:50:05,040
the focus

4175
02:50:10,950 --> 02:50:07,359
uh and the attention on this with the

4176
02:50:13,030 --> 02:50:10,960
world that is in a 10-second 15-second

4177
02:50:15,429 --> 02:50:13,040
news cycle

4178
02:50:17,670 --> 02:50:15,439
brother i wish i had i wish i had the

4179
02:50:19,830 --> 02:50:17,680
answer that because you're so right like

4180
02:50:21,110 --> 02:50:19,840
it could very well be like ufos are real

4181
02:50:23,030 --> 02:50:21,120
we know what they are and people like oh

4182
02:50:25,510 --> 02:50:23,040
my god that's crazy oh wait what did kim

4183
02:50:27,349 --> 02:50:25,520
kardashian do well you know like

4184
02:50:30,389 --> 02:50:27,359
but that's that's our society right yeah

4185
02:50:32,230 --> 02:50:30,399
that is exactly where we are at you

4186
02:50:35,510 --> 02:50:32,240
mentioned los feliz

4187
02:50:38,950 --> 02:50:35,520
and and i had said uh

4188
02:50:41,910 --> 02:50:38,960
made a joke you know the 101 and the 405

4189
02:50:44,870 --> 02:50:41,920
uh during rush hour at five o'clock and

4190
02:50:48,550 --> 02:50:44,880
and the flying saucer lands right on the

4191
02:50:50,469 --> 02:50:48,560
405 and the 101 interchange at 5 pm

4192
02:50:53,510 --> 02:50:50,479
that's going to be exciting for about 10

4193
02:50:55,030 --> 02:50:53,520
minutes yeah but after that somebody is

4194
02:50:56,630 --> 02:50:55,040
going to be getting out of get that

4195
02:50:58,550 --> 02:50:56,640
thing off of the road

4196
02:51:01,190 --> 02:50:58,560
yeah yeah you know justin bieber gets

4197
02:51:02,710 --> 02:51:01,200
arrested and all sudden that's that

4198
02:51:05,110 --> 02:51:02,720
moved on

4199
02:51:07,910 --> 02:51:05,120
yeah i worry about that too even though

4200
02:51:09,590 --> 02:51:07,920
for me it would be like

4201
02:51:12,150 --> 02:51:09,600
it would be like almost like talking to

4202
02:51:14,710 --> 02:51:12,160
god you know like seeing a ufo like that

4203
02:51:16,550 --> 02:51:14,720
to me so for me it would be

4204
02:51:17,910 --> 02:51:16,560
groundbreaking and i wouldn't be able to

4205
02:51:20,550 --> 02:51:17,920
i would become obsessed and think about

4206
02:51:23,910 --> 02:51:20,560
nothing else but i'm not the average

4207
02:51:26,870 --> 02:51:23,920
person i'm you know a ufo nut

4208
02:51:29,190 --> 02:51:26,880
so steve uh uh besides burgermeister

4209
02:51:29,990 --> 02:51:29,200
5000 where can everybody reach out to

4210
02:51:33,750 --> 02:51:30,000
you

4211
02:51:36,550 --> 02:51:33,760
yeah so uh burgmaster5000 instagram uh

4212
02:51:37,990 --> 02:51:36,560
twitter i think i'm i don't you know i'm

4213
02:51:39,670 --> 02:51:38,000
not on facebook a lot but i think you

4214
02:51:41,110 --> 02:51:39,680
know i have a facebook too and so yeah

4215
02:51:42,630 --> 02:51:41,120
they can uh reach out to me in those

4216
02:51:45,110 --> 02:51:42,640
places instagram and twitter pretty much

4217
02:51:47,110 --> 02:51:45,120
now what are you working on now and when

4218
02:51:50,309 --> 02:51:47,120
are we gonna see you next

4219
02:51:51,830 --> 02:51:50,319
um i did a movie in january that is

4220
02:51:53,349 --> 02:51:51,840
pretty pretty great movie it was a

4221
02:51:55,910 --> 02:51:53,359
wonderful script that olivia wilde

4222
02:51:57,830 --> 02:51:55,920
directed uh harry styles and christopher

4223
02:51:59,190 --> 02:51:57,840
pine

4224
02:52:05,510 --> 02:51:59,200
from

4225
02:52:06,950 --> 02:52:05,520
uh that though olivia wilde you know

4226
02:52:08,389 --> 02:52:06,960
she's an actress she's been a movie

4227
02:52:11,429 --> 02:52:08,399
called drinking buddy she directed that

4228
02:52:13,110 --> 02:52:11,439
movie called book smart uh she's very

4229
02:52:15,429 --> 02:52:13,120
very talented like a really very

4230
02:52:16,710 --> 02:52:15,439
talented director and actor and uh yeah

4231
02:52:18,230 --> 02:52:16,720
it's a great little movie it's kind of

4232
02:52:20,790 --> 02:52:18,240
about the simulation high pop you know

4233
02:52:23,269 --> 02:52:20,800
simulation or simulated world thing but

4234
02:52:25,590 --> 02:52:23,279
i had a fun little role in that so that

4235
02:52:27,349 --> 02:52:25,600
i think is coming out in september and i

4236
02:52:30,070 --> 02:52:27,359
have a couple writing projects i

4237
02:52:31,269 --> 02:52:30,080
probably can't talk about right now so

4238
02:52:33,030 --> 02:52:31,279
that's what i've been really focused on

4239
02:52:36,150 --> 02:52:33,040
i'm trying to get a couple tv shows out

4240
02:52:39,429 --> 02:52:36,160
to pitch in the new year well

4241
02:52:42,950 --> 02:52:39,439
i know she was in tron too as well yes

4242
02:52:45,830 --> 02:52:42,960
exactly but there was a tv series that i

4243
02:52:48,230 --> 02:52:45,840
watched her in forever

4244
02:52:50,070 --> 02:52:48,240
yeah i think you're right oh house house

4245
02:52:52,389 --> 02:52:50,080
house oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah that

4246
02:52:55,030 --> 02:52:52,399
was her breakout yeah for like 15 years

4247
02:52:57,269 --> 02:52:55,040
or whatever yeah and she's so cool man

4248
02:52:58,950 --> 02:52:57,279
she was like the nicest person

4249
02:53:00,469 --> 02:52:58,960
such a great director really like you

4250
02:53:03,030 --> 02:53:00,479
know an actress director so it was a

4251
02:53:05,190 --> 02:53:03,040
real privilege to work with her 81

4252
02:53:07,910 --> 02:53:05,200
episodes of house

4253
02:53:10,389 --> 02:53:07,920
yeah she did okay on that that's insane

4254
02:53:12,389 --> 02:53:10,399
yeah you are the absolute very best my

4255
02:53:14,469 --> 02:53:12,399
friend we've oh buddy

4256
02:53:15,750 --> 02:53:14,479
i i just can't wait we've got some

4257
02:53:17,990 --> 02:53:15,760
things

4258
02:53:20,150 --> 02:53:18,000
that are go about to happen and i'm

4259
02:53:23,269 --> 02:53:20,160
excited about all of that steve thank

4260
02:53:24,710 --> 02:53:23,279
you so much enjoy the rest of your night

4261
02:53:26,790 --> 02:53:24,720
thank you brother peace to you man

4262
02:53:28,630 --> 02:53:26,800
thanks for taking me in this weekend you

4263
02:53:30,870 --> 02:53:28,640
are the absolute best and the fader

4264
02:53:32,389 --> 02:53:30,880
knots love you man open arms

4265
02:53:35,429 --> 02:53:32,399
love them too

4266
02:53:38,389 --> 02:53:35,439
steve berg

4267
02:53:41,429 --> 02:53:38,399
what an incredible conversation tonight

4268
02:53:44,309 --> 02:53:41,439
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02:53:46,389 --> 02:53:44,319
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02:54:21,990 --> 02:54:19,120
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02:54:24,389 --> 02:54:22,000
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02:54:28,790 --> 02:54:26,240
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4290
02:54:32,309 --> 02:54:28,800
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